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Cylinder Clean-up for FHC

Discussion in 'Chainsaws and Power Equipment' started by BuckthornBonnie, Jan 18, 2014.

  1. BuckthornBonnie

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    Lots of info on other sites, but cylinder clean-up for the average firewood hoarder is something I've wondered about for a while now. What do you guys prefer? Do many of you guys do your own top end repairs?
    My preference (biology major, way too much chemistry for my own good) is 6M HCl along with light sanding with emory and ScotchBrite. I used a heat gun to expedite the reactions a bit. Mastermind's method of using a wheel and ScotchBrite is pretty damm good and seemingly fool-proof.
    Playing with acid creates difficulties such as H-gas and other toxins...not to mention the problem of acid getting near the ports or finding a groove. It's probably not for everybody that comes across a toasted top-end, but I don't mind it.
     
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    After seeing Randy's thread. I have went out and bought a whole book of 150, 180, and 220 grit, along with a roll of the 3M Scotch-brite. Have yet to use it for any cleaning. But I have used the sandpaper to clean up the port jobs I did to my 036, 55 Rancher, and the Earthquake.
     
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    I just did a 362XP Special cylinder using the "Wigglesworth cylinder re-conditioning system" that Randy showcased. I will be doing cylinders this way from now on. The muriatic will get used for etching concrete and occasionally removing transfer from a crank journal. But I will never again use it on aluminum parts like a cylinder. Every jug I've tried it on has been a failure due to the plating having a small pinhole in it. The pin hole allows the acid to etch below the surface of the plating, creates a leak, and ruins the jug. At least if you just sand it, the surface will be flush.
     
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    Was the 362 for a customer? ?

    Or is it for sale? The 362 and 254 are on my short list as well. :)
     
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    MasterMech The Mechanical Moderator

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    So worth watching these from beginning to end.

     
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    Customer unit. It runs ok, still building compression with only 1 tank on a new slug. I think it's a bit heavy for a 60cc but it's pretty damm strong for 62cc too.

    I wouldn't mind getting my mitts on a 254 either.
     
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    MM- good points about the acid and thanks for posting up those vids. I did more of Mastermind's technique and a lot less of my acid on the latest cylinder I cleaned up. When did you find out that your previous attempts failed? After running a while and noticing no compression, or maybe before reassembly??
    Dex-how'd your port job turn out?
     
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    Not to bad. The 036 is the only one that has seen wood. The Earthquake was just put together last night and the 55 is still a work in progress.

    They are nothing wild. No port timing, no squish cut, no pop up. Just widening the intake/exhaust and opening up the tranfers and port matching the exhaust/muff.

    Again? I am no builder, nor would I do this to anyone else's saw. My own saws for my own experimentation, is fine. If I screw up a Cyl? I buy a new one. But anything else, other than these, they are going to Tn.
     
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    Sounds good, man. It's a cool thing to mess around with and I'm sure you got some gains. I doubt I'd ever do anything major, but any porting work would go South for sure.
     
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    Once all of the transfer as removed, the pitting in the cylinder wall was very evident just by visual inspection. They make a nice bang when they hit the chitcan too.:mad:
     
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    There was a nice 254 xpg for sale locally -- $325 -- I passed on it but was very tempted to buy.
     
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    Key word is "was" eh? The CL market around here for saws has been pretty thin lately. But then again I mainly focus on Stihls.
     
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    I tried the muriatic acid on a toasted 038 Super jug but it was too far gone. That became an 038 Magnum.

    Now for the real bad part. I left the acid in a glass jar with metal lid. Fast forward one year and one work area cleanup... metal lid is halfway gone and half my tools are rusted to hell. My impact driver shaft got it the worst, the rest is salvageable just ugly. It seems like I noticed the rust around when I noticed the melted lid, so my guess is once it opened up to the outside air it deteriorated quickly and the gases found the nearby metal.
     
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    That's not good... reminds me of a chemical storage cabinet at my school. The teacher I replaced didn't separate bases/metals/acids. The door hinges were shot and all the chemicals were no good. Ya gotta be careful with that stuff...
     
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    Anybody ever try emery cloth?
     
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    Sure have... used strips of it similar to the vids above. I didn't use it exclusively, though, as I had a little help from chemistry.
     
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    Too slow for heavy transfer, too coarse for final finish, buts that's just my opinion. It's a good pick for final sanding before moving to ScotchBrite to polish the cylinder surface.
     
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    Digging up an old thread but a good bump.

    Where do you guys get the "Emory cloth" and the brown scotch brite?
     
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    The hardware store by my house has it. So I would venture to say if the little Mom and Pop shop has it, that HD or Lowes should have it.
     
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    I like to stop by an industrial supply shop every once in awhile that's good about carrying those things.