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Optimizing a Craftsman while saving for a "real" saw

Discussion in 'Chainsaws and Power Equipment' started by HighCountry, Jan 26, 2016.

  1. thistle

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    Echo CS 590 Timberwolf. $399 for a 59.6 cc pro grade saw & unbeatable 5 year consumer warranty.

    Best bang for the buck out there IMO.
     
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  2. HighCountry

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    I just read about that saw. I think it would do the trick, as well. I want to get a few options and see what I can find. If I limit it to one saw, especially if I hold out for a good used one, I may be waiting for a while.
     
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    I'll agree with that!! Unless you can find a nice 346xp or 550xp for less? The 590 is the deal of the day!
     
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    Can pull a 24" when needed. But runs a 20" down to 16" with authority! :dex:
     
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    +1 on CS-590 for best bang for buck in new pro saw.
    Check your Home Depot - they may sell rental Makita/Dolmar 6421 for $250-300.
     
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    That's a lousy situation for them.
     
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  7. HighCountry

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    Luckily, they already paid for enough wood to get them through the low temperatures, and I have already started cutting. I am just glad that my new addiction actually saves money and I can help family. My wife and our bank account are happy about that, too.
     
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    I'll chime in with another vote for the echo 590. Great 1 saw plan right there! The 271 is a quality saw but the echo 590 is simply in a different class for the money. Even though you are cutting smaller stuff you will probably find yourself wishing you had closer to 60cc for your big saw. If your dead set on German quality vs. Japanese quality save a bit more and check out the dolmar 6100 great saw there.

    Also dougand3 has a great plan too those makita/dolmar 6421s are excellent saws. You can find them by calling every home depot rental department within driving distance and asking if they have any used saws for sale.
     
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    I am definitely not dead set on anything. I just want a quality saw that can do what I need that won't break the bank. My local Home Depot has a Makita for sale. I am going to check into it and see which model it is. The Echo is growing on me the more I read and watch videos. You guys have been extremely helpful. I really appreciate it.
     
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    No problem that's what we're all here for. Lots of info out there about the home Depot Makitas. They are a popular option that won't break the bank. Good way to get a quality saw for not a lot of dough.
     
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    Just jumping in to suggest shopping around: that saw is $433.99 with the 20" bar direct, and $413.00 w/ free shipping from "The Mower Shop" vendor on Amazon.com - that may save some $$$ for those extras.
     
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    Back to your 42 cc Poulan for a minute, if I may. Been running one for a few years as a backup, and found a few things.
    1. Keep the chain snug. Engine bolts to plastic cradle and bar bolts to same, more solidly than on some stihls, though (studs not threaded in.) You don't want to be tossing the chain off the bar in case of a pinch or snag.
    2. Mine arrived with "Torch" POS plug. Going to NGK, A STEP COLDER, did the trick for hot restarts and avoiding glow-plug.
    3. Adjusted main mixture. Needed Husqy carb tool, for a couple $. (Already had one.)
    4. Replaced SOFT chain with Oregon 91VXL.

    Got the saw for $94 as a refurb from VMInnovations-dot-com/. After the above, a bud with a 250 stihl pronounced the PP4218 the clear winner for A/V and get-er-done performance. (Topper: 250's bar studs thread into plastic cradle- honest.) (And ... Craftsman don't make nothing.)

    Way before considering 271 stihl, I'd consider Echo 590 or Dolmar 6100. Order-of-magnitude better value, and performance. Other contenders would definitely inclued Dolmar 421 and 5105. Pro-quality, different league from homeowner stihls like the 271.
     
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    I'll offer a slightly contrary opinion and say that if you're rarely cutting over 14" and it's all softwood then a quality 50cc saw might be a nicer choice, especially if you're walking around with it a lot, as opposed to standing at a pile of delivered logs. The difference between a CS590 and, say, an 026 is almost three pounds. Used 026's and MS260's are plentiful.

    I have a roll of 91VX, much more than I'll need anytime soon. It's the predecessor to 91VXL, almost exactly the same but with shorter teeth so you might not get as many sharpenings out of it over the long term. I can beat Frawley's price on a couple of loops, if you're interested.
     
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    +1
    Also look at the husky 545 or jred 2252. Just recently saw a new 2252 for $385.
     
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    I may take you up on that. I will let you know and thanks for the offer. That is one of the reasons I love this place.
     
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    I agree with this almost word for word.
    New plug, fuel lines filters, and chain go a very long way and then you would have a solid little 40cc back up saw and a 60cc get er done saw.
    Never underestimate what someone can get done with a good running 40cc saw and a sharp chain. It just may take a little longer. I have a buddy that works a little Poulan wildthing like 10 + cords a year, up to 43" wide trees all with an 18 in bar.
    He can't afford another saw but he keeps his family warm with what ever wood is around.
     
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    Saw a brand new Echo 590 at Home Depot today and it was even more beautiful than I imagined. I think once my tax return gets here, it may be mine. Couple more weeks to think it over.
     
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    Do you really need a saw that heavy? If you are cutting up to 14" wood, that's definitely enough saw for the job. But they are quite heavy for a sub-4hp saw at 13+ lbs. To put that into perspective, that's roughly equivalent to a Stihl 391. And then there is the whole box-store support thing. Being new to saws, how confident are you that you'd be able to resolve any technical issues that arise? HD is going to have limited and slow service at best. I would make sure you have a local Echo dealer that's willing to service that saw if you get it from HD or better yet, maybe he has one he'd sell ya. ;)

    I think the suggestions to look at 50cc machines were spot on. $400 unfortunately doesn't get you into the pro-50cc class of saws but it sure does get you close to saws like the Husqvarna 545, which would sing through that 14" wood with no trouble and be even easier to handle than the Craftsman. It would certainly be my first pick if you can stretch the budget to just under $500. That said, there is nothing wrong with that MS271 you were looking at either. I like the 291 just a tad better because it's the same weight with a little more power but both saws are nearly identical other than engine displacement. Lots of guys like to knock the mid-range or "homeowner" saws because there are better machines out there. But the truth is, Stihl did a pretty decent job with the new 271/291 and they run a good bit better than the MS290 model they replace. The build quality is also better than the old MS290 for sure and while the engine might not be quite as easy to work on on as other saws, I have no beef with the quality of these saws at all.

    If you can swing the extra $$, I'd pick up a Husqvarna 545. Get a decent chain for the Craftsman (many good suggestions here already) and keep it around as a 2nd saw/backup. Trust me, you will need it on occasion. If you reall want to tinker with it, change the fuel lines out for Tygon or something else that is a helluva lot better than the cheap vinyl lines the saw came with. It's not a question of if, but when you will have trouble with them. Then the muffler mod is pretty easy. The internal baffle box has a flange that protrudes into the exhaust exit on the front of the muffler. Grind it back and open the exit slots slightly. I pound on the deflector so the front becomes slightly convex and call it a day with those. They are only 42 cc and the muffler flows pretty good otherwise. When re-tuning these, make sure you don't get too rich on the H setting. If the saw stumbles or stalls when you let go of the trigger and tilt the nose down, it's still too rich. ;)
     
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    Ya the echo 490 is lighter and around $350 or less. And there are good echo dealers. fordf150 is a great dealer he also has Dolmar's
     
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    I do alway use the smallest saw for the job. But that is also a great excuse to get another saw. Example I have a 30cc and 60cc saw (will handle all my needs without question ) but........ a great little 40 ish cc saw would be perfect to pickup where the 30 cc starts having to work.
     
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