OK, hear me out.... I know people who don't own a firearm but want one.. I know people who own them, but worry about owning too many.. ..People that own them, yet hesitate to apply for a CCP.. ..People that have a CCP and want to apply for NFA stuff.. but don't. ..regular people that want to apply for NFA stuff.. and so on and so forth. They don't pursue this for fear of being placed on a "list". I think we're all on a "list" of one sort or another, just depends on our tier. I'm past worrying about it, but what do you folks think? Are their concerns legit? Thanks, JB
I've been putting off getting my CCP for a while because of being on some list. I'm sure I'm already on a list or two, so what the heck? I take my CCP class next month. X2 on not legit!
Don't worry about lists, its potentially your life at stake. I got my CCP in Ohio years back when they first became available. Put me on the list of "folks possibly armed at any time, not to be f***ed with"!
Depends on where you live maybe? LEO seems to appreciate CCW license holders here....other places I heard it turns a routine traffic stop into an ordeal because you are armed.
Not a big deal here, either. At least to me. But there seems to be this suspicion that some are concerned with.
You wouldn't think it would be here, but last year a guy was seen on his front steps, shirtless. A utility working spotted what he thought was a gun tucked in the man's pants. Police came to investigate. Turned out to be a tattoo of a revolver. Thing is, open and concealed carry is ok here and no permit needed. But if you walk around with a gun, anticipate that the police will come have a conversation with you.
Exactly, still used in some places to get you for causing a public disturbance or inciting panic and such giving cause to investigate further. On the other hand I flew out to Washington State, a reciprocity state, about 5 years ago for vacation and took along appropriate gear. You pack it in accordance with the airline's specifications into check-in-luggage and declare/show it at check-in. I even got pulled over out there and given a warning for mild speeding. The funny part was convincing the officer that the old Hippie VW camper van I was driving was a rental vehicle. Had to show him all the paperwork from a rental place in Bellingham! He got a kick out of that, didn't know you could rent those. Top camper, propane heater/stove/frig. Nice for bopping around out there!
I'm probably near the top of a list somewhere. I have an FFL, I am a CCW Instructor, I am a NRA member and Friends of NRA Committee member. I volunteer as a 4-H Pistol and Rifle Instructor, and I am the Ohio State 4-H Rifle coach for the 4-H National Championships. Yep...probably on "The List" but proud to be there!
Forgot to mention that local LEO encourages CCW here. They have a lot of area to cover and realize that minutes count when you need protection
This is an interesting discussion. I've always been entertained by folks who are afraid of these mysterious lists. What are we afraid of? Why is this big bad wolf of a list so scary? Can anyone tell me why you think you aren't already on a thousand 'lists'??? Do you have a driver's license? Own a car? Own a home? Have a credit card or line of credit? Have a bank account? Are you gainfully employed and pay taxes? Ever been pulled over? Ever been cited for any little crime? Ever been convicted of a larger crime? Ever checked out a questionable book from the library (hell, I own a copy of Mein Kampf)? Yes, a CCP will put you on a list. A list of people who have legally obtained a CCP. A list that will tell LEO and others that you are a law-abiding citizen who wishes to legally carry a firearm you have (presumably) legally obtained. The 'list' of people in this country that are even vaguely close to being important/resourceful/dangerous enough to think that government agencies are going to watch them individually based on a list is a fraction of a percent . . . divided by another thousand. If you're afraid of "THEM" knowing you own a gun, then don't get a permit. Interesting since most people motivated to get a CCP is to avoid fear. If your fear of this magic list is that when "it" goes down some dude in a black suit is going to show up at your doorstep to take the gun they're pretty sure you have you need not worry . . . there are enough 'listed' gun owners in this country that it's going to take them awhile to make their way to your house.... WHEW! Use of the word "list" in this post/thread would make a great drinking game for college kids!!!
I'm sure I'm on several lists the government has. Heck, I'm sure my internet search history has gotten me on those lists more than the firearms I own. Well, owned, before they all were lost in a tragic boating accident . Anyway, sure it bothers me that the government is illegally allowed to keep close tabs on us. And I realize that I'm probably nowhere near a "person of interest", but I still don't like that they probably have more data on each of us than we realize. As to cops, I haven't received the best treatment from them when I'm carrying. Here in OH, you have to tell them when you are carrying, but if you aren't you don't have to say anything. The first time I was pulled over in KY and the officer demanded that I hand him my gun so he could run the serial number to see if it was stolen. I almost put up a fight over, and I did protest but I could tell this guy wasn't backing down so I handed him my weapon. The second time the officer asked me where my gun was, and then told me to slowly pull it out and lay it on the passenger seat. I noticed he had his hand on his own gun and his thumb on the holster latch while I was removing my gun, which made me pretty nervous! The third time I was pulled over the officer simply asked me where my gun was, and then instructed me to keep my hands on the steering wheel and to NOT move them. The 4th time I was pulled over I didn't bother to tell him I was carrying, and it actually went the smoothest of all! My brother was pulled over and was not carrying at the time, and he got scolded by the state trooper for not telling him that he wasn't carrying!! My brother tried saying that's now what the law says, but the trooper insisted that my brother was wrong and NEEDED to inform the officer in the future regardless!
In PA you only HAVE to tell them your carrying if they've determined there is probable cause for search. I have ALWAYS told the LEO i was carrying and where it was. Never felt nervous about anything. Only once was i asked to put the gun on the dash..... That makes more sense than the seat...
I witnessed a car crash on the Interstate (bad weather) and called the Patrol. I waited with the family until they arrived. After getting the drivers account of the accident, he wanted me to come to the Patrol car and get my story. When I got inside he asked for my drivers license (for ID). He then asked if I was carrying my handgun. I wasn't...I had left it in my vehicle. It stilled shocked me that he knew I had a CHL from looking at my drivers license. The officer was real nice about it..and I agree that they should have all the info they need to do their job. It's a different world than it was 10 years ago.
