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Confused on this chart.

Discussion in 'Modern EPA Stoves and Fireplaces' started by Kimberly, Nov 22, 2015.

  1. Kimberly

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    I am confused on the chart for the NC-13. It appears to say that with shields you have to increase the distance from combustibles; that does not make sense to me. If someone could explain what the chart is telling me I would appreciate it.

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    Take note that the list is showing two different kinds of pipe too. Kind of a strange chart. Seems like it would have four rows. One row for each type of pipe both with and workout heat shields.
     
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    ABCDE are all horizontal clearances from combustibles as can be seen in the illustration.
     
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    You are absolutely right. Makes no sense whatsoever. Heat shield and double wall should have less clearance not more. Likely human error somewhere along the way. Let us know if the mystery is solved.
     
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    Looks like D and E are correct though. Maybe it all got scrambled somehow and now we got 'confusion' with side order of a nice diagram.
     
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    I guess I need to contact the stove manufacturer.
     
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    I asked the same thing.
    mike holton answered this a ways back on another thread.
     
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    I don't quite know what you are asking?

    The single wall and double wall refers to the vent pipe.

    Doesn't your 13 have a built in rear heat shield?
    The side heat shields are an accessory which can be readily made by any sheet metal shop and attached by yourself. (save some $$)
    There should be a clearance plate listed on the back of your stove also.
     
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    Just look at the chart; it appears to be saying that if I use double wall stove pipe I have to increase the distance. That is from the manual. I don't have the stove yet to see what is on it.
     
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    Are you using heat shields on your walls?
     
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    I plan on using a heat shield on the wall behind the stove; there will be no close walls to the sides; I will make sure any furniture is far enough away.
     
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    the first wood stove I installed in the cottage was of the fisher type of stove. I had to install a heat shield on the wall of which it worked great.
    Then I got the 13 and took the heat shield off the wall. Never had any problems.
     
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    The back of your 13 should have a heat shield on it from the manufacturer. the actual side of the wood stove will be about 1 1/2 more inches behind the heat shield.
    Clear as mud now?

    Just how close do you intend to place the wood stove next to the back wall?
     
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    The reason I was going to place a shield on the wall; and eventually cover with a nice stone or something, was so I could place the stove closer to the wall. The wall is vinyl wallpaper over gypsum board.
     
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    To save space in the room, I was going to place it as close as the manufacture stated in the manual. They indicate that if you have a shield with a 1 inch air space you could place it closer; I forget the exact distance they stated in the manual.
     
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    mike holton stated the manual is correct, but I don't remember his explanation.
     
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    I have my 13 manual at the cottage and also cannot remember the "B" clearance to combustible wall. If you don't get the 13's manual with the stove and have to call englander stove, you will find that there are very helpful with questions you have.
    When I used a heat shield, I bought a concrete board and used metal studs for the 1" spacer. I placed the bottom of the shield a little above the floor (no greater than 6" as I remember). This way, the air that is behind the heat shield will be able to naturally convect up and out from behind the heat shield. Also, as I remember, I placed the top of the heat shield some distance above the top of the stove surface. Probably all told, the heat shield may have been about 5' tall starting from bottom to top.
     
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    I've posted the manual twice.
     
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    The whole time to place a heat shield was a matter of only a few minutes before I slid the stove into place. Instead of installing the shield in advance, it might be better to wait and read the clearance plate on the back of the stove for sure.
     
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    Here is a pic of the stove (13) at the cottage and it shows the heat shield attached to the side with the combustible wall on the right.

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    For size reference, the tiles are 12", so it looks like the actual stove is about 10"/11" from the wall not counting the heat shield. The heat shield looks to be a little away from the stove near its bottom, that is because I did not specify the shield to have what is called a "cross break" in it. A cross break would prevent the metal from expanded and forming a twist as it heats up. My bad.
    The back of the stove is next to the range...by about 12"-14" as I remember. The side of the range does get a little warm,,,but not that warm where I can't leave my hand on it for any given time.
    The side wall is clear-coated pine and have never had heat issues or any signs of blistering or any other evidence of heat.
     
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