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Nc 30 blower fans

Discussion in 'Modern EPA Stoves and Fireplaces' started by DuelburnJake, Oct 24, 2015.

  1. DuelburnJake

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    Mine came with the two speed unit. It is very loud. Anyone use a variable speed "upgrade" fan, the square box style ones? Are they worth it?
     
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    I had the hair dryer style, but I needed the AC30 for clearances.
    I've heard the 16 is noisy, but so is the 30, unless it's on low-ish.
    Wish it had come with a snap disk too.
     
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    I've only had my NC 30 a couple weeks.
    First time I turned the fan on I said OMG
    I have oiled it several times and added a couple more self tapping screws on the mounting plate.
    It works pretty good now, at least it's acceptable to me for my basement install.
     
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    It did the same with mine. Oiled it and put some extra self tappers in. Still a bit loud for my install it the man cave.
     
  5. Norky

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    I don't use mine a lot. I put a fan speed controller on mine and on medium it's very quiet. If it's on low, I can't hear it at all and sometimes forget it's on.
    Mine's the hair dryer looking one too.
     
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    Just add one Dave.. Wire in series with fan motor.. If you use a single pole double throw (SPDT) toggle switch you could make your fan auto/off/on operation..
     
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    It can be a slight pita to reach behind the stove to adjust or turn on/off the blower. When it gets cold, it probably won't get turned off, but might get adjusted.
    I've still got the one from the Ashley. Hmmmm.
     
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    In the winter I just let mine run in auto.. This time of year leave in off position or it gets too hot.. Great to have the option.. Snap disk T-stat will will cost around $5.00 depending on where you buy it.. Look for close on temp rise of around 110 degrees and open around 90 degrees..
     
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    I've got the whole setup that's still attached to the old Ashley blower hanging on a nail in a shed.
    The blower was going out, but everything else still works. Might have to do some exploratory surgery on it.
     
  10. Huntindog1

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    I get better performance without using the fan on my Free Standing stove.
    More people should try it. :heidi:
     
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    What do you mean by better performance?
     
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    Too me it seems to heat my house better. I have tried both ways. Seems like the fan just gets the room the stove is in super warm.
    I think running a free standing stove as a radiant heater gets the outer ends of my house warmer. It lets the natural
    convective flows move air air thru the house. I always feel that a blower in the stove room creates a bunch of air flow in that room.
    It makes for a strong air flow coming off the stove bouncing off the 4 walls in that room in every direction. So all that air bouncing
    around in the stove room every which way inhibits a natural convective air flows like cooler air moving towards the warm stove room and
    warm in flowing out to the outer ends of the house. As the natural convective flows are weak air currents compared to a strong fan on a wood stove.

    Plus these secondary air tube or secondary air baffle stoves works off the principle of a insulated firebox to build heat
    up in the firebox and too maintain that heat at real low input air settings for a slow burn. Using a stove as a radiant heater
    and not using the blower allows the stove to burn more efficiently getting more of the smoke gases burnt for producing heat and less emissions.
    As its important for the secondary air to be preheated before it enters the stove and up around the top of the stove it needs to be hot enough for
    the burning of the rising smoke gases. In a radiant type use of the stove I have noticed its easier to maintain nice secondary flames in my stove
    as a radiant stove rather than use the blower. I can get secondary action with the blower on just it seems to be a little better with the blower off.

    I will give an example of how a stove can burn more efficiently if it can keep the fire box hotter:

    The Drolet Myriad which I have, burns at a higher 5.7 grams emissions which was good enough for the older standard till recently the government passed new emissions standards. Drolet needed to get the Myriad burning cleaner, so they redesigned it with firebrick going all the way up the sides and now use a baffle board with insulative properties with secondary air tubs hanging under a insulative baffle board to hold heat up there. So having a better insulated firebox gets the new Myriad version 2 down to 4.4 grams emissions. So keeping the firebox hotter does get you more heat out of your wood. The old design used an uninsulated stainless steel secondary air baffle and the firebrick only came up the sides around half way so it was harder to keep temps up in the firebox for the cleaner more efficient burn.
     
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    So NO to fans!! :D
     
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    I that's why I use my blower sparingly , like in the morning when the house is really chilly , I get a good hot fire going and turn the blower on for a bit to get the Stove room that I'm in, nice and warm, then shut it back off.
    I sometimes use the blower on low during the coaling stage also.
    There is no doubt in my mind that with the Blower off the rest of the house gets heated much better, in addition , I have an 8 inch fan on the mantle, set on low, that blows across the ceiling behind the stove pipe, not on it, that hot air goes down a long hallway, then at the end of the hallway is a bedroom and there is another 8 inch fan setting on the floor in the doorway, set on low, blowing, cold air towards the Stove room, the rest of the house is only about 4 degrees difference ,shoulder season only 2 degrees.

    I also agree with the other part, with the blower on it will cool the pipe and the stove down, so ,as you said ,not using the blower allows the stove to burn more efficiently, and in my stove also, I can keep the stove and pipe hotter longer , so , its easier to maintain nice secondary flames .
    My stove is rated at 1.9 grams emissions and does a real nice job.

    Depending on the location of a stove , running the blower might be the better choice
     
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    Inserts have to use fans.
     
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    Say no to inserts~!!! :D
     
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    Low emissions and high efficiency are not always synonymous. My princess is the #2 most efficient stove in the world, last I checked, but is much dirtier than my nc30 or even my old hearthstone.
     
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    The grams of emissions for the NC30 is too good to believe if you check into it.
     
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    I don't really care how efficient my stove is. Smoke doesn't billow out of the chimney and it keeps my house warm.
     
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    Thanks Huntindog1 and HDRock, not trying to be argumentative, but here are my thoughts.

    It just makes sense to me to run the blower. More heat into the space (house) is accomplished by moving heat away from the heat source (stove) and more air moving across the stove via the blower will move more heat.

    I understand building heat in the stove, that the stove needs to be hot enough to achieve secondary combustion, and that the blower is cooling the stove, but if your getting secondaries with the blower on aren't you already there. There comes a point of diminishing returns where the stove is hot enough and by holding more heat in the stove all you are doing giving it a chance to go up the flue instead of into the house. Moving air across the stove via the blower helps this heat to get into your house, away from the stove and not up the flue. To me "better performance" is a clean burn with more heat into my house, not more heat in the stove or up the flue.

    Regardless, I'll give it a try and not run the blower some and see what my "seat of the pants" meter says.:)
     
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