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What's your swing setting ?

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  1. slvrblkk

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    Me too!
     
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    Please explain the meaning of swing setting. I don't think this applies to the Harman's using the built in thermostat, but still would like to know the meaning of it.
     
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    Swing is the amount of temperature variation from start up to shut down.

    The amount depends on the stat and the way they describe it. For example, some stats with a 2° swing may mean that at 70° the stat calls for heat and it will heat until 72° and then stop the call for heat. Then restart again at 70°.

    Others could be 1° each way. Or stat calls for heat at 69° and shuts down at 71°. Still 2° total, but 1° on each side of the set point.
     
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    Basically it spreads out the heat cycle. If you had 1 degree of swing and temp on stat set at 72. The stove would cycle on at at 71 degrees and cycle off at 73 degrees. Move the swing up to 2 and the stove cycles on at 70 degrees and cycles of at 74 degrees.

    I think my stat has a default of .5 degrees of swing. So it would cycle the stove on at 71.5 degrees and off at 72.5 degrees. That would keep the temp more consistent in the house, But it will also cycle the stove more often.
     
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    Ok that's what I though, thank you both for spelling it out. IIRC Harman says the built-in stat will keep the room temp within 1 degree of the configured value. It has no digital display components, though so you just have to have faith it's doing what they say.
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    On a stove that has a Hi-Lo feature, the swing is very nice.....
     
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    It's great in either mode. In hi/lo i change my swing to .5 degrees. Keeps my room a constant temp.
     
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    Auto/Off I have mine set on 1.5 degrees of swing. Lets my stove run about 2 to 3 hours before cycling off. I get about 1.5 degree's of rise on a normal fall/spring day. About 1 degrees of drop. So its off about 3 hours. All rough as the lower the temp the longer it takes to warm up and the quicker it takes to cool back down.

    Once the night temps stay below 25 to 30 degrees. I switch to hi/lo and drop the swing to 1 degree to keep a more even temp. Once it really gets cold(negatives) I drop the swing as low as she goes(.5 degree). I also raise the temp up from 73 to 74 degree's. I like to keep but not exceed 74 degree's in the house. With a lower swing setting I don't see 74 degree's, So I have to change the stat to see it get to 74 degrees.

    I don't just watch how fast the temps rise, But also how fast they fall. If they fall too fast(less than 1.5 hours) is the main reason I switch to hi/lo. Having the stove switch to low mode or maintain saves the igniter. The reason I don't just go to hi/lo sooner is, Even the maintain fire raises the house temps and I would over ride the stats mean setting. So I usually just switch the stove to auto/off most days when its above freezin or expect a bit of solar gain.....

    I also set the stat back to 68 degree's during the day and when we are sleeping to save some fuel. I shaved about at least 1/4(more like 1/2) ton off my fuel usage over the season. I have the stove start about 2 hours before we come home or wake up. Thats about 3 degrees of temp rise so its usually up to at least 71 degree's. I'll start it a bit sooner once it gets really cold to ensure that temps are comfy.

    Lots to keep track of, But heck I am usually inside playin anyway unless I'm out shoveling the Err, not gonna mention that word just yet!! Out fishin, Ya thats it!!
     
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    All good info Jay :thumbs:
     
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    Can you guys give a description of what the hi/lo function means and how it works? Trying to relate this to Harman operation and there's probably no equivalent, but I would still like to understand what this functionality is.
     
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    tt....the stove will go into high burn until the stat is satisfied then the stove will go back into a low burn until the stat calls for heat again. In this mode the stove never shuts down.
     
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    In addition, the High settting can be anywhere above the lowest setting. Once I go to Hi/Lo mode, similar to the circumstances J does. I set my stove to heat setting 2. It then toggles back and forth between level 2 and 1 to satisfy the stat. Harman probably works very similar by t maybe a bit smarter.
    For example, if I set Hi 5 i would most likely over shoot my temp setting since the stove would be very hot and still be putting out too much heat once the stat is satisfied and running one 1. It sounds like the Harman does the thinking for you. Unfortunately, Harman cannot do setbacks and swing settings, which I believe to be highly advantageous.
     
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    Thanks to both. Turns out there is an equivalent operation mode on the Harman. At least something that appears to resemble the description. It's running the stove in room temp mode with the igniter switch set to "manual". The igniter switch in manual is what stops it shutting down. In all the time I have owned the P68, I have never used this feature. Always leave it in Auto mode. Great, something new to play with this winter!
     
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    This is the exact same feature as High/Low in other stoves. I know a lot of Harman owners love this setting. It keeps a more comfortable temp throughout because you are always producing a little heat. Slower heat loss in the house and less wear and tear on the ignitor.

    It's really only a good function when it's cold (below freezing is what I save it for).
     
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    Thanks Dex, I will try this function when the weather gets to the point where it's cold all the time. One more question I had. This thread refers to hi/lo mode as if that is one of x number of modes the stove can be run in. What are the other modes and how do they operate (high level)? Just trying to see if it is essentially the equivalent to the two basic Harman modes (room temp, stove temp - aka "constant burn" nowadays).
     
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    Not so sure you have any say in that! :heidi:
     
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    Other one is the standard On-Off
     
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    Yep. It would be in Auto mode (for ignitor) on a Harman. Where it just shuts off and on.

    When it's colder, I like the stove to run constantly. I still feel like I save pellets because it's idling. Where a start requires a full bore/huge flame amd lots of pellets.
     
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    Thanks to all, really appreciate the info!
    :drunk:
     
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    3 Modes. Auto/Off-Hi/Lo-Manual.

    I never use manual unless I want to turn it off for cleanings. But some just put them in manual and run it slow and steady all winter long. To risky for me, I'd forget something and the :heidi: seems to happen! Stat and hi/lo seems to work best for me in the cold. Plus having the programmable stat for setting setback temps is priceless. Helps the old guy :BrianK: who often forgets things!! :whistle: