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Fahrenheit Endurnace 50F Project

Discussion in 'Pellet Stoves, Pellet Fireplaces, Pellet Furnaces' started by BAN83, Sep 24, 2015.

  1. BAN83

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    I'll get you some pictures of the pieces.

    To be honest I'm kind of going by the seat of my pants right now. We are planning to probably use a 6" flue, and then put a liner down it. Where I'm not sure, and will check with my local distributer, who will also do my install certification, is what thimbles and liners to use and the best way to do the clean out. If you have thoughts, I'm all ears.

    In initial planning I was thinking 4" liner (So good to hear confirmation in that). I was planning to have a cleanout cap in the bottom of the vertical run in the chimney, with a cleanout access door from the basement.

    For brand, I was looking at Selkirk, and was going to use there multi-fuel direct temp so the fresh air intake would be combined with the exhaust vent. I figured it'd be one less hole to punch. Any thoughts? Would the run be too long? Should I go part way with the direct vent, then put the air intake out the side of the chimney and continue up with just a standard insulated liner?

    Awesome. I'm excited to see the difference with outside air. I guess I just have to watch for condensation.
     
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    I have Direct temp on my Stove upstairs and love it. As for the liner kits don2222 has a DT liner install. Maybe he can comment on it. He has a 2 story home if I remember correctly, so if it works for him, a single story system shouldn't be a problem at all.

    I like your idea on the clean out access door below. That should work out nicely!
     
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    Nice. Good to hear you like yours. The direct temp seems slick, and the easiest way to do the exhaust and OAK all in one.

    Thanks, it was my dad's idea. It's how he does it on the chimneys that he does for wood stoves. This whole project is new for both of us. He has over 30 years masonry experience, but never for pellet stoves lol.

    OK, I'll contact Don and see what he has to say on the matter. I want to place an order for the new impeller anyways.
     
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    Pretty jealous of the setup Dex! Mint! I never took time earlier to really look at the picture you had posted.:thumbs:
     
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    So my local shop sells ICC pellet vent, I had been looking at the Selkirk venting. Anyone have thoughts on the ICC stuff?
     
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    Hey guys,

    Update one the chimney for the 50F. Hole is dug, footing is in. Visited my local supplier tonight and talked to them about vent options.

    So I can do a standard 8" flue like you would for a woodstove, and then just vent into that with an airtight adapter that I'd hook my pellet vent up to. OR I can do a full 4" pellet vent all the way up. Thoughts?

    Also, and hate to say it, my local shop doesn't stock Selkirk, only ICC. So I think that's what I'll use for venting since I'd rather run what they stock in case I ever run into an issue and need parts right away.
     
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    ICC is good vent. I'd use that if it's what's available.

    As for the 8" over liner down the chimney? If the budget isn't an issue? I'd go liner personally. But it's not my install. The 8" cold clay liner would only be a problem on colder starts (if it is a problem. Only being as tall as its going to be? It may be a non issue).

    How tall is the overall chimney going to be?


    I'd like to see what others have to say. I've never vented into a masonry chimney. So my opinion is only based on the few problems I have read (very few).

    I'd make sure whatever you do, that your homeowners insurance is ok with it. They are the ones that have final say if there was ever a problem.
     
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    HAHA OAKED? In time, In time.
     
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    Budget isn't an issue, but I'm not against saving a few dollars if performance isn't going to be affected. Regardless, I am curious to open up conversation on it as they are both potential options according to my local stove shop. Whether it'd work better, worse or the same as a 4" vent all the way up is what I'm curious about.

    I agree about the 8" cold tile being a potential issue. Pellet stove exhaust gases (I feel) are too cold to do a 8" tile which is why I wanted everyone's thoughts.

    The chimney should be around 15' tall when it's done.

    Yeah, dad is going to talk to the guy that does all his install certifications for his thoughts on the matter.

    I'm probably making this more difficult than it needs to be, but I figure I may as well learn the ins and outs as I'm going on this install.
     
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    I agree. It doesn't hurt to know your options.
     
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    Ok Guys,

    Here are some pics of my 50F after giving a good cleaning and a touch up with some high temp paint. It certainly isn't perfect, but it's a huge improvement. I won't know how well I did on the gaskets until I fire it up.

    Speaking of which. After a lot of debate and conversation with different people. I am doing a 4" ICC pellet vent liner up the inside of the masonry chimney I'm going to put up. Clean out configuration still to be determined.

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    I took those out to refinish. Had them out for about a month. I put them back in.


    As for the liner? I think that's the best choice. :)
     
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    I found out after firing up my furnace that I had a strong smell in the house. I'm pretty sure it was caused by my high temp paint touch-ups so be prepared for some nasty:fart: Looks like new, keep up the good work:yes: If you put a liner in the chimney, can you install the air intake inside the chimney? Like having a clean out door with a hole to install the OAK. I never seen or used a liner in the chimney flue so I could be way out to lunch with my thinking:smoke::picard:
     
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    Good to know. Any idea as to what purpose they serve? Did you see a performance chance at all with them in/out?

    Thanks, I think the 4" will be best as well. I appreciate all the input from you and the others who chimed in as well.
     
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    Ohhhhh yeah! I'm prepared for it to get pretty stinky when this thing burns in. My Harman was brand new when I got it and I had the front door wide open in January trying to air the place out as it was doing its' burn in :rofl: :lol:


    I think I can do something in that regards for the air intake. It will just be a matter of room. For simplicities sake I may just punch the extra hole next to the chimney and call it a day. Ideally I was looking at installing A Selkirk Direct Temp multi-fuel liner, as then the air intake and the exhaust would all be one clean package. BUT, my local shop does not stock Selkirk venting and I don't like the idea of not being able to walk in and buy something right away if I needed parts.
     
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    They help the air flow go where it needs to.

    With them out, the air doesn't take the path it should (and the ash drops to the left and right of ash pan making a mess).

    The airflow inside the firebox is as follows. Air comes through pot, and goes up into the top heat exchange area, then it gets sucked down the back wall (back wall of the furnace is gollow/exhaust path), then it comes out just behind the ash pan and through the 2 holes (1 hole and new nodels) into the back exhaust cavity.

    Some air probably goes down in the front of the pot, beside the ash pan, and out the holes/hole. But as long as those 2 small wings are in there and the back wall/exhaust path is clean? Then it should go up, back, down, and out.

    Also, as noted above, with them out, a LOT of Ash goes to the left and right of the ash pan.. Making a large mess.
     
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    Cool! Thanks for the in depth description of the air flow through the 50F. I was starting to get a bit of an idea because of the work/cleaning I've done on my unit, but I was definitely lacking in knowledge still.


    I’ll make sure to put them back in.
     
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    Just an update.


    Pellet vent is all purchased and sitting in the basement ready to go. The hole is punched through the foundation. I should have the chimney up this weekend so I'll post a few pics once it's up.


    I've also ordered the upgraded combustion blade but it's still in transit.
     
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