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England's Stove Works SSP01

Discussion in 'Pellet Stoves, Pellet Fireplaces, Pellet Furnaces' started by kdp7462, Sep 1, 2015.

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  1. imacman

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    That is a very nice looking stove and the controls would be super simple for those who have a hard time with different modes, heat levels, blower levels,trim settings, etc.

    But the lack of heat exchange system is a turn off for me. With all their knowledge and the some of the best pricing in the industry. I hope that one day they make a 50,000-70,000 unit that has multi fuel capability, hi/lo, large hopper, large ash pan, and the largest heat exchanger in the industry. They might as well make two versions. A freestanding and a furnace model. I bet they couldn't keep them on the shelves. :)

    The benefit to the exchanger is more area. All stoves have a square firebox. Having a true exchange system gives the other the advantage.

    Most new Englander stoves just blow air across the top portion of this box. Where a stove with a tube/square type exchanger, has heat surrounding the entire tube/square, with air blowing through it and a firebox as well.

    My Englander 10 CPM was a nice stove. But the output air temps can't compete with what my old Quadrafire 1200 and my current Enerzone Eurostar can put out. Heck, my Fahrenheit pellet furnace has an 18 tube heat exchange system. Without those tubes, the output would be dramatically less if air was just blown around the firebox (50% of the air comes through the tubes and 50% is blown around the firebox to keep the outer cabinet cool to the touch and also extract as much heat as possible).
     
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    I think a little bit of my point was missed. A large size 40k btu stove versus a smaller size 40k btu stove will by default be extracting more heat given the heat exchanger is the same type because there is more area to the exchanger and paths by the nature of being a larger stove. Take that smaller stove, add accordion design or tubes and efficiency is increased. But then, that design lends to a quicker buildup of ash as there are more crevices (for lack of a better word) and that advantage quickly is lessened or even negated possibly. Looking at the numbers for efficiency I posted, that box design does as good or not better than some of the other designs.
    As for the CPM, Output temps are not a good measure of efficiency. It may be an inferior design, don't know. We would have to do some fancy math with exhaust temps, feed rate and combustion cfm (with identical vent setups) and we could get close to comparing different stoves. Not an easy task.
     
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    the room temp mode works with technology similar to our pellet grill. it modulates feed up or down to hold a set temp in the room kinda like an oven holding heat while cooking. the sensor picks up the room temp and the board reacts accordingly.
     
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    So it doesn't cut right off once the room temp is met? Goes to low burn for a period of time?
     
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    Pretty sure that's how it works.....like room temp on a Harman
     
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    depends, if the temp were to be changed to where room was suddenly several degrees higher than set temp it should shut down, but when its holding a set temp it will "try" to stay lit on low if at setpoint but will eventually shut down if temp keeps climbing
     
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