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Chimney Questions

Discussion in 'Modern EPA Stoves and Fireplaces' started by Kimberly, Aug 8, 2015.

  1. Kimberly

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    First, what is the height from the hearth to the flue through the wall? I know some say to make it high but I don't want it too high because I don't think it looks all that purdy.
     
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    Does your potential stove manufacturer offer a minimum height dimension? Seeing as you're supposed to get a stove from Canadian border VT, what would he suggest? Any others?

    Edit: unless you already have the stove, or have something else lined up.
     
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    Isn't the stove going to be the Englander 13?
    Calling mike holton for info.
     
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    Nice, papadave! Good lookin out, sir!
     
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    Just be sure to be 18" or more away from the top of the pipe to the ceiling if you're using single wall pipe.
     
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    Kimberly, that's a good question.
    Sometimes, aesthetics takes a backseat to function and always to safety.
    I'd rather my stove function well than have it look "purdy". I'm certainly not trying to bust your chops, rather... making sure your install works well and is safe.
    Personally, I like the idea of the pipe going up at least a couple feet before going horizontal, but there are plenty of stoves and installs that go straight out the back of the stove into a flue. However, some don't like that and I believe it's Blaze King that suggests a 36" rise before going horizontal.
    After browsing the NC13 manual, I didn't see any reference regarding your question.........here's a copy for ya'.........
     

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    Page 13 .... is the information that she needs, I believe.
     
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    I'm still not seeing where it mentions a suggested or minimum height for a hearth to wall install.
    What did I miss?
     
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    Sorry, I thought she was going straight up. But its an out the wall install. Like concretegrazer said 18" mininum from ceiling and 13" from wall. See page 6 for the specifics.
     
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    I think she's looking to keep the exit into the wall as low as possible.
    The 18" minimum from ceiling is a CTC, not a suggested or required distance from floor to horizontal wall exit.
    That measurement isn't on #6 either.
    Here's a manual for a Sirocco 30 from Blaze King. If you look at page 8, it shows the dimension in the far right pic/drawing as 2' minimum and 3' suggested from the top of stove.
    I don't see that kind of info in the NC13 manual.
    Maybe it doesn't matter for the Englander?
     

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    Thanks everyone for responding. I also want to think about future stoves. Yes, for now it is going to be the 13-NC but I also looked at the 30-NC which sits a bit higher. I have the chimney bits, just need to look at installing the chimney. Also, I am going to need to learn how to build the hearth and that is going to sit up from the floor. I don't want to make any mistakes in cutting the hole through the wall. I also need to know about the wall protection that goes behind the stove. I would like to get the chimney installed this Sept.
     
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    It states 2 ft from top of the stove. I may have to build the wall protection from floor to ceiling in order for it to look nice. I was thinking of just building it part way up. I was looking at manufactured stone at Lowe's. What have others used for the wall? I wanted something light weight but durable and decent R value.
     
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    The thing about Englander stove (both the 30 & 13) is that require a high R value. So keep that in mind. There are a couple of threads on it it. (clemsonfor). I know he has a decent thread topic on here about his plans. I can find that later.
     
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    Like Chvymn99 said, the hearth r-value requirement for both of those stoves are pretty steep. I built a foot tall hearth for mine, and just used a few layers of Wonderboard on top of a piece of plywood on a frame, then tiled all that to get extremely close to the needed value.
    I've got the 30, as does Chvymn and several others here. I think Highbeam has a 30 in his pole barn/shop.
    Ask any question, and we should be able to help. If we can't, I'm sure Mike can.
     
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    kimberly, I can't find manual but stove, does have rear heat shield attached and you will have in it in less than 30 days.. if not sooner:D

    see giving it to you means I got to get it out and uncrate new one quick! it wasn't completely altruistic also deadline motivating:emb:. Always happens too me a 4 hour projects turn into 40 quick...

    my recommendation would be put thimble as high as possible because you also want pitch in elbow from top of stove to wall thimble
     
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    Kimberly, it makes a difference whether the stove is built with top exit or rear exit. If it is rear exit, then it is fine to go straight through the wall but if top exit, I'd want 2-3' minimum before the elbow.

    Our stove is rear exit and we just go straight through the wall and have no problems with it.

    CAUTION: When going through the wall, always have a minimum of 1/4" rise per foot of horizontal but better to have 1/2" rise if possible.
     
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    I'm glad you two piped in........good points.
     
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    Stove is top exit and the 1/2 inch rise per foot to wall is what I meant by pitch. Thanks to Backwoods Savage for clarification!
    Kimberly we just want you SAFE, and Warm!
     
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    I have another question. I was told I would need to get a chimney cleaning brush. What type of brush do I get for a Supervent 6 inch chimney?
     
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    A 6" brush.:D They're sold at TSC, and I think I've even seen them at Wally's.
    You'll need enough extension rods to go with it in order to brush the whole pipe.
    You could get the flexible kit and brush from inside the house instead of climbing on the roof. I don't remember the name of that product though.