6.7 Powerstroke delete..

Well I wasn't gonna do it but the cost keeps rising for the tuner and I'm more convinced than ever these dpf filters are bad bad news. I work for a huge national ltl trucking company and we've had multiple truck fires related to dpf regeneration in the last few weeks on 2013 through 2015 units. On top of that, I've been broke down on the road twice in the last 6 months due to def or dpf faults derating the 2014 truck I drive.

I didn't realize how hot the dpf gets during a regen cycle - 600 Celsius which is 1112 Fahrenheit.

I have a 2013 6.7 ford which has been flawless so far but I'm deleting the egr, dpf, and def systems on it by the end of September.

This is my current exhaust which generates those temps.. It will be a straight pipe with a muffler when I'm done..

 

I don't blame you. The price of tuners has went sky high since they cracked down on the companies making them.

 

Can you legally do that? In Wisconsin you can't, as newer diesels are tested for emissions.

 

For sure do it.........................This DEF thing is a joke.

 

Yes and no with a lot of gray area.. I'm gonna keep the stock split tip and I won't be the guy blowing black smoke.. As long as I have a muffler I'm somewhat legal where I live..

In Pennsylvania emissions are by county.. The county I live in isn't an emissions one but I would be able to get it passed in the two previous counties I resided in with the mods I plan on doing even though they required the emissions window sticker..

 

We have a ton of trouble with the trucks at work. They get a lot of idle time being bucket trucks. I swear it all has to do with the regen crap. A buddy of mine is currently having his truck done.

 

Yeah, idle is the worst for the emissions diesels. It clogs up the egr valve and generally doesn't allow for passive regen. When the egr gets clogged up it sticks open and gives a fault code. With the truck I drive at work it derates it to half power at first then shuts the engine down soon after. A few weeks back I had to keep hitting the override switch so I could get to a ramp.

That's why I'm ditching it. Not happening in my truck..

 

Well ordered everything I need today. Just a 4" dpf delete pipe so I can keep the factory muffler and tip. Not going full egr delete yet just a metal pipe and plates..

 

Went with the sct tuner over the mini maxx since it will do what I need for half the price. Talked to a guy today while fueling that has about the same setup I'll be running and he loves it. I'll be running a real mild clean tune with muffler so it won't smoke - have zero interest in rolling coal and is only slightly louder than stock but you can actually hear the turbo.

My main goal was to add reliability down the road and increase fuel economy which this will do.. Can't wait to get it done. Parts should be here this week and I'll be doing it on the 15th with some experienced help..

 

I'd tell you to get a Chevy
but all newer diesels suffer from this crap. I looked at a brand new 2500 and the truck had a urea tank located behind the right front tire near the LF door step -waiting for a rock to punch through it.

Unless you are pulling a house daily the economics of the diesel make no sense, higher up front cost, marginal unloaded fuel economy increase(much better loaded), long term maintenance expenses outweigh dropping a new crate gasser in almost every new truck. When you see ford gassers running ~150k-170k(my neighbor has one with 190k that has been through 6 sets of coil packs) or chevy's with 200k+ with mainly transmission issues - hard to justify that 8-10k add on for a diesel up front.

From the economics of it -if you need the diesel so be it, if not sell the SOB and get a reasonable 1/2T

 

Dad has a 99 F350 V10 auto, over 350k miles, neither engine or trans has been open...

 

talking triton v8's early to mid 2000's
May not be applicable with body rot up there but,
take a look around on c-list and see how many used fords for sale from 1990's and how many chevy's - no....ford owners aren't holding on to their trucks forever - except those 7.3 1998ish, I'd own one of those

 

oh yeah I think I posted something about economics......V10 - ran a '99 1T dump for a summer, sweet torque spooled up nicely and drank like a V-10. Subsequent summer ran a 2000 8.1 Chevy - far and away better pull, didn't need the same rpm's but yes still drank like me

 

I really respect your opinions and knowledge but I'll take my chances based on experience.

I had a 2010 150 previous to my current truck and I more than make up for the economy difference with the 6.7 at a .50 a gallon gap in fuel. Right now the difference in fuel cost here is about .20. My unloaded mpg ranges between between 17 and 21 plus it will absolutely blow the doors off any gasser. It was an 8k option on the truck but I wanted one and got a leftover 13 so I made the purchase.

I work with multiple people that have 200k plus on 2009 and up emissions diesels with zero issues but all are deleted except one - he has a 2012 6.7 ford with 285k and full emissions. These are bulletproof engines especially once the chance of fault codes from emissions are gone.

My worry with the urea tank was never a puncture but a simple fault code that will derate the truck. It will crystallize causing the screen to get plugged - that shut me down on the road in my work truck a few months ago. The other is the dpf - that shut me down about a week later when it got too hot and tossed a code derating the truck.

Once all of that junk is gone these are some of the best motors ever built from the Duramax, 6.7 Cummins, down to the 6.7 powerstroke. Mine still has all the emissions and has been flawless so far but I just want it gone for improved fuel economy and overall reliability.

While these engines might not be for everyone, the power and overall reliability of the second generation diesels is very good and I wouldn't shy anybody away from one.

I'll probably never own another gas truck and I'm doing the delete strictly for longevity from this one. I really like the truck and there's no way I'd go back to the 150 even though it was more than adequate. And although maintenance costs a little more, it's certainly nothing I'd notice. The biggest difference is the oil change with 13 quarts of t6 but I do it every 6 instead of every 3 so it's a wash running 20k a year..

 

We all collect anecdotal evidence to reinforce our beliefs in life.

All I'm saying is if you really think you need a diesel and the added expense or you could live with a gasser without the hassles for your personal truck.
Fleet trucks are Fords because they are cheaper - FACT (look at SBO's running GM's probably older but still in service)we have a 2002 F150 at work with 28k that start and idles around the plant, if it were in real service the utility would have cycled a new truck in a long time ago, because it's just utility money

 

I see what you're saying. I just wanted one and now having owned one it would be very hard to go back to a gasser. My opinion having owned both, is that the difference in ancillary cost isn't nearly what it's made out to be.

My work experience is based on class 8 trucks that get a thousand miles plus per day between the day and night driver of the truck. It's the same emissions system which is why I'm getting rid of it on mine.

All that said, I just like the truck and am glad I bought it. I certainly don't need it for the small amount of heavy towing I do but it's nice to have when I do. We put 2400 miles on it last week empty on our vacation to upper Michigan and I really enjoyed driving that instead of our suv.

Just a matter of opinion..

 

No kidding? Man, I have been hearing some single digit mileages on the newer diesels.
Gas VS Diesel...
1. Gas engine option cheaper - Diesel engine big $$$ option
2. Gasoline cheaper than Diesel fuel
3. Modern gas engines getting better and better MPG (and power) - Diesel MPG seems to be dropping
4. Gas maintenance/repair = $- Diesel maintenance/repair = $$$

The diesel torque is nice if towing heavy often, but how many diesel owners actually do that?

We have a contractor that we deal with at work that has 20 F550s on the road all the time, lot's of miles. They always ran diesel. I noticed recently they had switched to gas. They said the finances just didn't make sense for them to go diesel anymore, plus they had some real bad experiences after the 7.3s were traded in.

I guess I have a sore azz for diesels right now, I have a 99 'stroke that has been givin me fits for a year now. Got the truck as part of a loan payback, was running real rough, thought I could fix it up, make a $ on it. Got 'er running 95% better, but that last 5% is killing me! Not making any $ on this one! I'm thinking she's gon be my first and last electronic diesel.

 

Maybe on chassis cabs. Up in state college which was all 2 lane and I got 17.5. I have 355's. Did 21.5 and 21.7 on 2 200 mile tanks in the up last week. My PA turnpike tanks at 72-78 mph do about 18.5 to 19...

 

If they had the 6.4 then I could see that low mileage. I had a 250 and it did 11-12 on the interstate empty.

 

We've got a 99 F-250 crew cab 8'box that just turned 575 K and is only on it's 2nd motor (5.4). Rides like a Cadillac, runs like a timex watch. Back when Ford built a good truck...................