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Reverse Osmosis for my truck hauled water in old cistern?

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  1. wildwest

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    Good info either way Tim! Yes, he tapped into the sink drain line :)
     
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    Yeah, you'll want to reclaim that for plants.
     
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    does it say how much water is wasted? if its a very small amount it may not be worth the effort
     
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    I believe it takes 4 gallons of water for 1 gallon R/O. Quick math from the bottled water usage was 3 gallons per day. So waste water ~~12 gal per day. What do you think?

    Edit, maybe it was 5 gallons raw for 1 gal R/O....
     
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    wow...yes , that is worth reclaiming for the garden!!!
    I never would have guessed it "wasted" that much. Could you dump that back into the cistern to be reclaimed for wash water?
     
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    Do you have a well?
    Can you catch rain water in the cistern?
     
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    :thumbs: on reclaiming. What an interesting idea to dump back into cistern! Although the cistern feeds the whole house, not just wash water. We do not have a well, (too hard, alkaline, and salty). And of course, we do not have gutters either :rofl: :lol:
     
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    It's a lot of water that gets rejected from the ro membrane. It's at least 2-1 waste to ro water.
     
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    Not easily, the cistern in underground beneath my living room floor.
    What are your thoughts on routing drain water back to the cistern?
     
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    You could. It's just going to have a lot more total dissolved solids in it. Is the cistern just used for showers toilets and tap water?
     
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    showers/toilets/kitchen and bathroom sinks/washing machine/clothes washer/one hose (that we dont use LOL). One line from cistern coming into the house that is then distributed for everything here.
     
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    not sure how much water you use from the RO, but if the waste was reclaimed back to the cistern it would only add 2-3% of dissolved solids (DS) back per week. (depending on total water usage)
    If the water going into the RO is potable then the waste is probably still potable, with just a higher % of DS.
    If you are using the RO to make the water potable, the waste is probably not worth reclaiming, unless its just for watering trees and the garden.
    I guess in the end it would be ok to reclaim if there was a serious shortage. But then the cost of repiping to the cistern may be the determining factor
     
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    Ro's are definitely well worth the cost . I've used one for drinking water for the house since the mid 90's and also use one for my maple syrup business. We have a very high tds ( total dissolved solids) from the well. Lots of salt !
    How much " waste " you get all depends on the quality of water feeding the ro. How fast you make ro water is all about pressure. I use a small booster pump on my house ro to boost pressure to 80 psi. Wildwest, If your finding that you run out of ro water occasionally adding a simple booster pump will help alot.

    The maple sap ro is a whole different can of worms. What I do is take maple sap which is on average 2-3% sugar and run it thru a 40" ro membrane at 180-250 psi . This will increase my sugar to 4-6% and at the same time remove 1/2 of the water. So say I collect 600 gallons of sap in the morning , first thing I do is run it thru the ro and I will only have 300 gallons of sap left but at a much higher sugar content.
    What I'm doing is saving the " waste " to boil but I also save the "permeate " which has zero sugar and is the best tasting water you have ever had. I also use this permeate for general cleaning in the sugarhouse. Sorry to run off topic a bit but thought some of you might find this interesting.
     
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    not just interesting. brilliant!
    I think my wife would love this maple water as a drink. :yes:she doesn't drink 'Plain' water. usually flavored bottled water or puts a splenda in it
     
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    Yes, potable going in, my concern is the tank on the pickup and the cistern here.....Both old and I don't trust they are sanitary.

    The pickup holds ~~400 gallons, cistern is ~~1200 gallon capacity, I would guess the turnover is pretty high. I LOVE my new big jetted bathtub that I shower in, lots of room for me, problem is it takes SOOOO much water to fill it up to the jets (jets are a must for the lil one's bubble baths :rofl: :lol:). Long story short, I like the idea! And, plumbing $$ is simply running the 3/8" plastic discharge hose under the floor. Under the floor would be the hardest part.
     
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    sounds like you need spouting and a system to fill the cistern. then sanitize the cistern.
    free/soft water when it rains.
     
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    are you hauling city water in? if not, you should probably sanitize the tanks occasionally
     
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    Yes city water. Any good advice/instructions/links on how to sanitize?