California's water crisis... interesting article

apparently a cold amo and pdo (usually lasting some 20-30 years) will keep the west coast to the rockys in general in a deep drought. exception will be this summer according to J. Bastardi. el nino will bring or is supposed to bring above ave. rainfall. after that it's back to dry off the history of cold pdo years. this is apparently common knowledge in weather and climate circles as the agw people aren't claiming credit. considering that LA gets only some 15" rainfall annually, they always need every drop and a considerable snowpack. food subject for the rest of the nation, brought up in this thread, is rapidly going to be a real problem

 

from tom nelson via twitter

 

nyt article http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/14/s...ry-of-drought-repeats.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0

 

Good quotes...

“Equally as important but much easier to forget is that we consider the last 150 years or so to be normal,” he added. “But you don’t have to go back very far at all to find much drier decades, and much drier centuries.”

"That raises the possibility that California has built its water infrastructure — indeed, its entire modern society — during a wet period."

Oooops...

 

What gets me is that they're just now figuring this out.
“But I was actually surprised at how well we’d get through such a drought,” he said. “California would not dry up and blow away. It would be bad but we would still have civilization, so long as we managed it at all well.”

The folly of such a thought process astounds me. How's that been workin' out so far?

Still, the two long droughts show that “this is centuries-scale stuff,” Dr. Stine said.

“Equally as important but much easier to forget is that we consider the last 150 years or so to be normal,” he added. “But you don’t have to go back very far at all to find much drier decades, and much drier centuries.”

Been sayin' that for quite a while. 100-150 years is just a blip on the radar.....a spit in the ocean......virtually nothing.

 

"The folly of such a thought process astounds me." ... yup... me too. I loved the "required" blame it on GW, in the middle of the article... then basically admit it's a moot point for the rest of the article...

 

Just saw this lil tidbit Doug MacIVER ... and thought it was interesting... cause the debate is settled n' all... seems some who were high in the AGW cult are developing common sense... huh...

[“There are massive challenges in terms of poverty eradication where coal is a logical choice from a cost effectiveness point of view, and you really have to be in a position to offer those countries an economically viable alternative before you begin to rule out coal,” Yvo de Boer, the former head of the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change, told the news site Responding to Climate Change (RCC).

“It’s strange for me as a climate person to say that, but it’s an honest answer,” he said.]

Are "honest answers" allowed in the non-debate?

 

what never ceases to amaze me is how arrogant and shortsighted politicians are... let's look at facts

• the southwest part of the country is a dessert or dry climate.
• southern California and Arizona populations have increased dramatically over last 20 years
• agriculture uses a lot of water this includes grass lawns (not sustainable in dessert)

Gee, you think there might be a water issue?
do local towns put in simple building codes so that grey water is utilized no. uncle lives just south of Los Angeles and they threatened to fine him when he put barrels on downspouts to water lawn etc cause that's free water you did not pay for.

lived in Australia for a year in their desserts all toilets are incinerator propane and all grey water is reused recycled very little government intervention on 10,000 acre ranches. if water is a scarcity you need to treat it as such.

northeast is just as bad all old street drains go back to lake.. new ones have to go to treatment plant first if we get a quick 3 inches of rain what happens.. treatment plant floods and untreated sewage goes to lake...

Boston with 8 feet of snow got in trouble for putting it in ocean a lot of salt and cars leak fluids so snow is dirty... OK but what happens in a rainstorm in august those leaks still occur and rainwater goes to the ocean...