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Chimney liner type / brand?

Discussion in 'Modern EPA Stoves and Fireplaces' started by BDF, Apr 1, 2015.

  1. BDF

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    Not sure where this is supposed to go but it is for an EPA approved stove so.....

    I plan on lining my chimney this year. Conventional 8X8 masonry chimney, cement block construction with a full clay lining. I plan on putting a 6" round liner in it and would like opinions and thoughts on which brand / type is better and why (i.e., easier to install, easier to connect the TEE, etc.).

    The chimney is straight and goes from basement to roof in a two- story house. The stove is on the first floor but I want to extend the liner past the stove and into the basement so it can be cleaned from the bottom. So I need about 8' of chimney [below] the TEE, and either a clean-out cap on the bottom or even better, I can seal the liner to the original chimney and use a clean-out door (already in place) to access the chimney from the bottom.....?

    Also I assume I will have to cut at least part of the existing thimble out to insert the new stainless TEE to the new liner. ?? The wall in front of the chimney is already tiled with granite stone, so I would of course like to keep the max. hole size in the wall and chimney to a minimum installing the new liner and stove TEE.

    Thanks,
    Brian
     
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    I can't help with your questions, but I'm interested to hear any answers.

    I gotta ask, is there a problem with the existing chimney? I have the same setup, chimney is 10 years old and in perfect shape, stove performs great, I see no reason to line mine.
     
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    The tee comes in two pieces. You attach the body of the tee to the liner before it is lowered into the chimney, then attach the snout thru the thimble once the liner is in place. Should be minimal disturbance to your wall.

    I don't know much else about them. I'm not sure if you'll find anything you can hang 8' of liner on. I don't think they're made that way, but I could be wrong.
     
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    Hi Brian,
    When you say 8 x 8 are you measuring inside or outside? Are you going to wrap it with insulation? A 6" liner with insulation might be a tight fit but the insulation is worth it. Mine is a 7x12 inside and they really struggled to get the liner in there. Now I'm looking at adding insulation in the void.
     
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    Yes, the chimney is over 100 years old and 'suspect' at best. There are no broken tiles anywhere that I can see, and there is no tile pieces that have fallen out but I doubt the joints between the tiles are intact.

    I am also looking for an improvement in draft by going to a smaller, better insulated liner, as well as a chimney that is easier to clean (rotary tools do not work well in a square chimney).

    Brian

     
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    To be honest, I do not remember but it is standard 8" square clay tile flue.

    Yep, the plan is to insulate the liner and drop the whole thing down the chimney.

    Brian

     
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    I ended up buying the pre- insulated liner from Woodland Direct, but it is being drop- shipped from PA, and I have to assume it is really coming from Olympic Chimney Supply.

    Funny thing though, the screen in the cap has 3/4" gaps but is only legal in 49 states. The state of CA requires max. grate openings of 5/8". What's up with that? Do they have smaller squirrels out there or something? More persistent birds? Is their woodsmoke less dense than our woodsmoke?

    Anyway, I am pretty pleased with the liner and kit that has been ordered. Hopefully the install will go as smoothly as I hope, or at least better than I fear.... o_O:D

    Brian
     
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    Attaching the insulation was more difficult than it looked, cool find on the preinsulated.
     
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    Yeah, I had two conversations with different tech. people about that. Both said that using adhesive to attach the insulating blanket was not going to be 'slick' and I would have to use some bad words along the way. What really put me off is the fact that I can see some of the original flue tile edges when looking up or down my chimney so I know there are edges in there that will want to catch and rip the insulation or insulation mesh cover. The stainless steel outer layer, coupled with a pull cap, will go a long way to making the actual installation easier, or at least I think so. Another advantage of the outer stainless steel shell is that I know the insulation will be intact and fully wrapped around the liner; if the insulation blanket on the other type ripped on the way in I do not think I would know it and at least a section of chimney would be un- insulated.

    The two wall liner was more expensive but not outrageously so, and my fond hope is that I can install it and not think about it again in my lifetime (other than inspection and cleaning of course). I have been wary of my masonry chimney for many years and I would like to just put that whole issue to bed.

    Brian

     
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