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possible ban on xm855/ss109

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  1. GrJfer

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    Me too.
     
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  3. mdavlee

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    It would be nice to see that hit a lot more than what's needed to be seen. Those people need to learn to leave well enough alone.
     
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    I signed it
     
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    Done!!
     
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  6. mdavlee

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    it would be awesome to see it hit about 1 million in a month
     
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    It's estimated that there are 300 million guns owned by civilians is America.( It's probably much higher.)
    You would think gun owners should be able to blow that site up with signatures !!!
     
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    Signed

    Everyone also needs to send a comment email to the ATF.


    Here is a sample letter for ATF.

    To whom it may concern,

    I am writing to voice my strong opposition to the proposed change to current law that would make it illegal to manufacture, import or sell on the open market M855 / SS109 ammunition.

    The claimed purpose of this change is to “protect the lives and safety of law enforcement officers from the threat posed by ammunition capable of penetrating a protective vest when fired from a handgun”.

    As the Technical Branch well knows, all rifle ammunition of a common caliber such as .223 / 5.56 is capable of penetrating threat level IIA and IIIA body armor regardless of the firearm that is used to fire it. M855 / SS109 is no more of a threat to law enforcement than M193 or Horandy VMAX loads are.

    It’s also worth noting that rifle caliber pistols are rarely used in violent crime, their usage is a statistical zero for all practical purposes, which further begs the question as to why this proposed rule change is being considered.

    Banning the availability of affordable surplus ammunition under the false pretense that it’s in the name of officer safety is a clear violation of our 2nd Amendment rights.

    Thank you for your time and consideration,

    NAME
    CITY, STATE
     
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    Not mention the fact that m855 does not even meet the standard set by the ATF to be classified as armor piercing.
     
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    Exactly!!! I can't say to much or I will get started and not be able to stop and I really don't want banned......:zip:

    This is a power play to see if they can get away with redefining laws since they can't get them passed through the Senate. If they define M855 as armor piercing it opens the door for just about any ammo to be redefined as armor piercing.
     
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    Exactly. Most of the Senate is on board with veto and counter measures now for these stupid as executive actions.
     
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    townhall/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2015/03/06/exclusive-atf-has-already-banned-common-at15-green-tip-ammunition-n1966761

    Looks like public comments were disregarded before we even had a chance to voice our opinion.
    The above is a link from Drudge, it's still there if anyone wants to pop over there for a look-see.
     
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    Saw that yesterday.
     
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    Doesn't that just....suck. All for show? Where the heck are we?
     
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  18. mdavlee

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    In a communist society now unfortunately. If they don't like your opinion or truth it gets hidden.
     
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    Same up here, but that's what happens when, we the people, keep electing those university educated citidiots who have never had to do a lick of actual physical labor in their gilted lives..................Oops. sorry................
     
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    Even worse, most of them are lawyers!
     
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