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Flames in Ash Pan?

Discussion in 'Pellet Stoves, Pellet Fireplaces, Pellet Furnaces' started by wildwest, Nov 25, 2014.

  1. jtakeman

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    The pic we need is behind the exhaust(vent) fan, trying to get the readings on the motor itself. You practiced taking a picture with a mirror, that's good. In reality, it sounds like the control board is bad and the auger doesn't stop feeding pellets, not a good scenario. HOPE Drolet does the right thing for you, either new stove with new upgrades or money returned..... Keep us posted!
     
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    I was afraid it would still run on the auger side when you got around to turning it back on. You should note IHP fainted when you pulled the plug. Still no picture of the combustion blower so we can tell what is up in terms of mounting and such to see if a regular higher cfm rated unit can be attached once we find the current rating.

    Hi Pete, keep an eye on the situation while I take care of the birds and have something to eat, just finished feeding the cat and stove.
     
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    The manual specifically says not to unplug the stove, even during a malfunction.
    That being said, dealing with an auger that won't stop feeding, there are only so many options.
    My concern would be where it thinks it was when plugged back in, if it wasn't actually shutting down it may go back to its normal state (malfunctioning state). And if not under a watchful eye, bad things could happen.
     
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    Do we have enough blue air yet or are you in need of some more, we have all had those moments. A good string of verbiage makes one feel better however the problem remains. You will get through this.
     
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    Which is a major human factors problem, people being people and such. That is why I didn't want that hopper opened, there was a lit burn back fuse. Already seen a few of them this season and one was on a Drolet-65.
     
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    That was good advice. One could easily open that hopper without thinking and introduce a whole lot of air.
     
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    Good call, never crossed my mind:thumbs: It can also be a bad board. Emptying the hopper would of bought time to see where the stove was heading for and maybe corrected itself, just saying:smoke: I'm no expert on different stoves and slowly learning my stoves:hair:
     
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    And that little act of opening the hopper causes a lot of trouble if a burn back is in progress. A stove contains the fire by limiting air and smothering the burn.

    On a dual auger system the top one needs to stop and the bottom needs to still run to push a possible lit burn back fuse out of the feed system when the stove is turned off under power control.

    I have no idea how the Drolet responds to a power on or start request after a power loss.

    Once a stove loses power all safety features are rendered non operational. Which is why you do not pull the plug.

    ETA: Time to clean my stove to get it back on its regular schedule.
     
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    I was replying on the restart of the stove after been down for awhile and not during the fire in hopper in which of not to open the hopper would be very wise and safe. Pulling plug in the situation of not stopping to feed is a different matter altogether, what are you suppose to do in a case like this?
     
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    You let the stove do its thing.

    The biggest help is it is very likely the exhaust fan will still be running as it will send the bad stuff out the exhaust system where there is at least some air flow and the stove is set to handle it there unlike into the room with the stove and where it is bad for the folks in the house.

    Having a dry fire or CO2 extinguisher handy while awaiting the stove to cool down or the FD to arrive if there is a hopper fire.

    If a CO2 extinguisher is discharged into the air intake (speaking of which I hope that widwest has that 65 OAKed) will help smother any fire.

    A FD would say leave the building and call them. Note the order here.

    I agree with the FD in the case of a fire and would add discharge a CO2 unit into the OAK if it is safe to do so.
     
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    On the case of a loss of power you still let the stove do its thing and once the power is back you can hit the off switch, if the stove still decides to just feed you look to see if there is any burning still going on and act according to what you see.
     
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    I could see if smoke is getting into the house which will surely happen if you let the stove keep feeding into a ash bin that's on fire. Smoke damage in house and you nearby, what would the person(any person) do in a case like this. If the stove has a good natural draft, all would remedy itself. Now if the person not been home at the time, smoke could of been handled by the exhaust fan or maybe not. Fire could of been smothered out with over feeding of pellets or worse case, added more fuel and air to the fire.
     
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    Pull plug and putting stove in OFF are two different things. Turning OFF would be the wise thing to do, if it fails then pull the plug.
     
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    I wildwest's case there should be ample natural draft to keep the exhaust going out the vent which is why most stove makers are frowning on straight out exhausts.

    Smoke in the house is not assured (I want to know what happened to the air shutter in the stove wildwest has as it helps prevent smoke exiting the air intake) and is the lessor of the evils in the case of bad things going on in the hopper.

    Well the stove is clean and the convection blower is on. Back on schedule.
     
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    Pull the plug only if there is no sign of fire.
     
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    Yes, they are very different things. Some but not all stove makers even tell you what your stove is supposed to do in the case of a power loss (pulled plug).
     
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    In this case, was the auger just turning? Or was it still feeding? When I originally read the post it said that the stove was shut off but the fire was still going and the auger was turning. Made me think the turning auger was still feeding pellets, which may not actually have been the case. It could have been the safety feature STB described. wildwest was the auger feeding pellets? Or just turning?
     
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    It was off several hours last night (both turned off and unplugged from wall). Hubby woke early and started it then woke me to come watch it since he was leaving. It's been behaving on the lowest setting this morning so far. He is armed with the model # and serial #, I'll let you know when I hear...
     
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