EPA approves new woodstove emissions standards

This^^^^^^^^is the "catch 22" of the whole thing IMHO!!!! It's still TOO EASY for folks to CSS wood late summer/early fall and burn it late fall/all winter. Which will be an even bigger disaster in the newer stoves than it is now!!!!!

Short of banning wood burning for home heating; IMHO, next will be regulating firewood sellers to make sure they are truly selling "seasoned" firewood, AND inspection of wood stacks by the gooberment of folks that CSS their own firewood. Which means higher taxes and bigger gooberment in the end for everyone!!!! And that's a lose, lose, lose, lose situation IMHO.

 

when its all said and done though folks, the new regs arent going to hurt the hearth industry all that much. the turmoil from the enacting of Phase 2 was far more unsettling for the industry and the wood burning public. mostly because prior to the Phase 2 the safety aspect was literally all that was looked at and stoves were not really restricted that much. when the advent of Phase 2 occurred the industry had an even shorter time period to react and had to react in a much bigger way. this actually put quite a few manufacturers out of buisness, companies which didnt have the size or resources to adapt to the new regs. many of those who did manage to get through produced stoves that were simply too clunky and complecated for the average wood burner who only knew the "old school" methods of burning wood. this time around its an adjustment of the baseline with a longer "grace period" .

bottom line is , the hearth industry WILL be able to meet this challenge we (as im sure the rest of the industry ) are already tooling up for this. now, knowing what the standards will actually be, we are able to start targeted testing to ensure when the time comes we will have a full line of products available that will meet or exceed these standards.

 

They are doing that in parts of Calif. already, it has to be 20% or below.
What might happen is the new stoves will not burn wet wood at all (just about there now).

 

I totally agree that this will just become another invasive push into our lives with regulations!!!

 

How is this any different than in 88?

 

in 88 there was no emissions standard for woodstoves when phase 2 came in units had to be either retrofit with catalysts or completely designed. bear in mind also that there was no real database for design directed towards emissions standards so everyone had to literally start from scratch.

today we have far more knowlege and available data from 25 years of designing to meet the phase 2 standards. this makes it a lot easier this time around simply because we know more.
bear in mind its not going to be a walk in the park, but compared to 88 it will be a lot easier.

 

I'm following you Mike. My question was directed towards the anti-reg crowd.

 

ohh, ok.

dont really want to get into the "reg/anti-reg" arguement. always degrades into a thread killer

 

Yep...im the guy that wants dirtier air and dirtier water

 

Why do we need more catalytic stoves when, for example, my Lopi Republic tube stove , is rated at 1.9 G/hr, and a Blaze king princess cat stove is rated at 2.42 G/hr ?

 

Yes and No!!! When you're talking EPA, you cannot help but "take a side", whether it be pro or con of the situation because it is "political"!!!

Anytime gooberment is involved in anything.....................it means higher taxes and a bigger gooberment on all levels!!!! Which means less freedom in the end!!!!

We can preach "EDUCATION" about wood burning until the cows come home, but there's still those folks that "JUST DON'T CARE".........................and will burn old tires, plastic, styrofoam, et.al. to provide fuel for their appliance. And almost as bad as the "just don't care" crowd are the folks that are of the mindset.............."Dad/Grandpa used to burn like this and we turned out fine" crowd. These are the ones that probably are the hardest to convince that dry wood is the answer!!

I'm just saying that anytime gooberment gets involved..................it means higher costs for everyone!! AKA.........healthcare.

 

Why anti regulations?? because regulations are being crammed in every orifice

 

This^^^^!!!!

Can anyone name a segment of our society/country that isn't "TAXED, REGULATED, OR SUBSIDIZED"?????

Therein lies the problem!!!

 

With "FREEDOM" comes responsibility!!!! If you're not responsible for your actions/freedom.............it'll be taken from you via....................you know what/who!!!

 

Gee whiz. Can anyone answer my question?

 

all i can tell you is the sky didnt fall in 1991 (when phase 2 came into effect) and it wont in 2020 when we have to be under 2 GPH.

 

Sure!

1. Not Taxed: the 1%
2. Regulated: Wall Street
3. Subsidized: The Middle Class (or what's left of it)

The amount of ignorance, paranoia and outright misinformation going on is hysterical. Any attempt to promote higher MPG standards, regulation of Wall Street crooks, woodstove emissions etc is reacted to as if "government" was going to cut your scrotum off. Disgusting. Grow up. When this country was 30 million people, it was easy to co exist without much regulation. We're more than ten times that now and growing. Believe it or not, the "evil" government can benefit the people and here's an example. I do a lot of work with pharmaceutical companies....American pharmaceutical companies. Once a drug goes off patent, it's open for generic copies. Indian drug manufacturers produce a huge amount of generic drugs that are sold in the US, however, their manufacturing plants are inspected by the FDA. Oh my God, a Government Agency! GOVERNMENT IS EVIL! Well, guess what? The FDA has banned import of drugs from a number of Indian pharmaceutical manufacturers for "minor" health issues such as:

1. Ground glass and insect body parts found in pills
2. Open toilets discharging nine feet from a pharmaceutical production line
3. Falsifying quality tests.....one company discarded 231 failed lab tests and tried to get by with 1 test that actually passed
4. "Flies too numerous to count" in a biologic laboratory

So what's your b!tch with the US Government on this? That they protected Americans against contaminated foreign drugs?

 

As I said prior......................"With freedom, comes responsibility." If'n you're not responsible in what you do; you'd better be willing to accept the consequences there of.............or be willing to have whatever you're doing taken from you because it impacts someone else!!!

I'm happy to go thru life essentially being anonymous. My neighbors know that I've got a big wood stack in my backyard.................but they'd be hard pressed to prove to you that I burn, save for the fact that my wood stack is getting smaller.

Government is essentially evil because it can potentially give me want I need to survive.................but; at the same time, can take everything I've ever earned!!!!

Your #1 is so wrong also!!!

 

There's an old American saying: "Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. " Now would you please excuse me, my Woodstock Ideal Steel is burning lean, mean and clean and it's time to admire some good old fashioned Yankee ingenuity. And by the way, "Your #1 is so wrong also!"...you're in the 1% and can tell us all about taxation of the ultra-wealthy? I didn't think so.....