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I tell you what, the system (Alliance for Green Heat) is a little too political for me. There are plenty of good ideas that get overlooked based on popularity and money. But that is me. No offense.

 

Your exactly right the wood burning stuff is political. Thats why they formed that website to keep people first informed then hopefully some people get involved.

Politics will always be in the environmental part of wood burning.

That website takes the stance that wood burning is good and is trying to keep the extremist from banning wood burning all together.

I was looking at the EPA website where people can make comments on the proposed new emissions standards for 2020 and most of the comments where about people being upset over smoke dragons and how it was bad for the public's health and they want wood burning banned all together.

Even tho that site talks alot of politics just be aware they are on our side and representing the right to burn wood responsibly.

Us wood burners need a voice.

 

They may be on your side, but they're not on my side.
From the blog: The EPA has proposed new regulations which will require all residential heating appliances to be cleaner. We believe the EPA is on the right track and we need to support their efforts in the face of a strong far right-wing campaign against it.

 

I wasn't referring to government politics. I am not a fan of the business politics behind the scenes of the stove world.

 

Norky, not sure I understand where you are coming from, you dont like the new regulations then?

 

Not a big fan of any business politics no matter what the subject or government for that matter.

 

No, I don't. That is a highly political site and those snowflakes are not my advocates.

 

Well your already burning a NC-30 so your burning clean.

The Part you left out explains what the blog was referring too:

The future of wood and pellet heating in America depends on the technology becoming cleaner and more efficient. Otherwise, there will be more and more efforts to restrict wood heating and to keep it out of renewable energy incentive programs.

My explanation of it is:
So he may have not have been clear but he is basically refering to all the people that are wanting a complete ban on wood burning as we dont want to provide them more fuel for their fire to get wood stoves banned.

 

Check out this EPA Website where people gave input of their opinions on the new proposed regulations.

http://www.regulations.gov/#!documentDetail;D=EPA-HQ-OAR-2009-0734-0655

There are 70 pages and 1700 comments so take a look.

This is what Alliance for Green Heat is trying to protect against.

Here are few examples of input from the EPA website:

Many wood burners of crowded areas say that “It used to be a lot worse”. Many note that fewer homes are actually burning wood and some say that burning wood does not add significantly to air pollution anymore.

Of course just one wood burner in any crowded place would not have much effect unless you happened to live next door. If everyone burned wood like in the days before natural gas then once again we would have a serious problem. Thanks to modern, efficient heat like electricity and natural gas no one needs to produce smoke anymore. Smoke in any amount is unacceptable and wood burners burn mostly because they want to.

Just because it used to be a lot worse does not mean that wood burning is justified. Just because many homes have stopped burning wood does not mean that it is OK for the remaining ones to still keep burning. Anyone with access natural gas should be using it.

If you are the last person still burning wood in a modern city, you should still stop because it is attitude that is important. Wood smoke is not negligible and any amount has an effect over time. To be fair everyone should stop near others.
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A growing number of studies indicate that exposure to residential wood smoke is linked to adverse respiratory health impacts such as an increase in emergency room visits and respiratory symptoms in children as well as decreased lung function.
When people are exposed to wood smoke, it is usually along with other pollutants from diverse sources; hence, in assessing risk, it is important to identify the extent to which responses are specific to wood smoke.
Recent studies have concluded that there is not sufficient evidence suggesting that wood smoke particulate matter—despite its “natural” origin—is any less harmful than other types of particulate matter.
Unlike the large body of evidence linking urban particulate matter to cardiovascular disease, presently there is limited evidence of such wood smoke effects.
Moreover, a new set of measurements also suggests that particles from wood smoke may be less “sticky” than those from motor vehicle exhaust, and thus less efficient at being deposited in the respiratory tract.
Still, a series of controlled exposure studies in Sweden show that relatively short wood smoke exposures (4 hours) result in systemic inflammation and oxidative stress similar to effects seen after exposure to particles in polluted urban air. While there seems to be clear evidence of respiratory health effects related to wood smoke, it remains unclear to what extent wood smoke might elicit cardiovascular effects.
Given these health impacts, the fact that wood combustion is being promoted as a renewable and carbon-neutral energy source, and the fact that wood use may increase as prices of fossil fuels rise, it is important to reduce the potential for wood smoke exposure.
A recent analysis for Vancouver indicated a high wood smoke exposure potential, i.e. a large fraction of wood smoke emissions produces exposure comparable to the “intake fraction” coming from motor vehicle exhaust. This is due to the conditions under which wood is burned—in neighborhoods where people reside and often when air is stagnant.
This research suggests that efforts to decrease wood smoke emissions by fuel-switching or by using lower-emission appliances will be very effective in reducing population exposure. While much can be done to reduce wood smoke emissions at the source, evidence from northern B.C. shows that portable HEPA filter air cleaners can effectively reduce indoor concentrations and exposures for those living in areas with high levels of outdoor wood smoke.
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Some wood burner writes " about these new wood stove regulations, JUST STOP IT!!! STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT!!!! "

And all his neighbors say back to him "about your wood smoke, JUST STOP IT!!! STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT!!!! "
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Many wood burners use the “Appeal to Nature” as an excuse to continue smoking out neighbors. They say that “wood smoke is natural and therefore morally acceptable.” Even worse, many politicians support this reasoning and refuse to help out citizens who are exposed to wood smoke.

As explained by Wikipedia, the appeal to nature is wrong and says “There is no factual reason to suppose that what is natural (wood smoke) is good and what is unnatural (natural gas) is bad.” Moral philosophy and social responsibility demands that wood burners stop smoking out their neighbors.

 

https://www.facebook.com/AllianceforGreenHeat

 

His efforts should be aimed at getting the EPA to stop lowering stove emissions, imo. Instead, he is encouraging the EPA to impose stricter regulations, meanwhile trying to scare everyone into thinking that all stoves will be banned if they don't follow along with him. His efforts would be better spent trying to get the EPA eliminated and let environmental issues be handled on a local/state level, but I can see by his fb page that he is not that kind of guy.
I have a newer stove, but that doesn't mean I can't have an opinion. There are still a lot of people with older stoves that want to keep them and I'll stand behind them before I'll go along with this clown.

I'm not going to get into a debate over this flakes politics and religion, I'm done.

 

Well thats the reason I posted the comments on the EPA website that he isnt making it up.

I think we all seen what happen to the tobacco big money companies, they took them down pretty quick.

I dont like it either its just reality. EPA isnt going away so you have to work the system.

The new regulations were coming and Alliance for Green Heat was not the reason.

They are just there informing people and trying to help out the industry.

The Ideal Steel that everyone on here loves came from the Alliance For Green Heat Wood Stove Decathlon as a 25 thousand dollar prize was given for the winning design of the IS wood stove. That stove was design just for that competition. It beat out stoves from all over the world.

 

We need to stay informed of what the EPA, Government(s), and the wood smoke activist trolls are doing/saying. I see nothing wrong with making wood stoves cleaner burning. I have followed Alliance for Green Heat for a long time now. The only thing I don't like about the Alliance for Green Heat FB site is that he allows the wood smoke activist trolls to junk up the page. It's the same crap over and over with them.

 

Thanks

Thank you! Glad to be here.

 

Welcome Doug

 

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I pride myself in tryn to burn as clean as possible.. not for the epa..for me.....i think its cool to heat with wood with no smoke and no smell in the house..but i aint gonna put nobody out for burnin a older stove...not everyone can afford a new stove....ya burn wat ya got.....as far as im concerned...the smoke police can pound sand...