In loving memory of Kenis D. Keathley 6/4/81 - 3/27/22 Loving father, husband, brother, friend and firewood hoarder Rest in peace, Dexterday

3/8" vs .404"

Discussion in 'Chainsaws and Power Equipment' started by mdavlee, Nov 29, 2014.

  1. mdavlee

    mdavlee

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2013
    Messages:
    4,380
    Likes Received:
    10,479
    I decided to put a .404" bar on the 385 today and square file a chain for it. There's a little difference in cut time for them in favor of the 3/8".



     
  2. w8ye

    w8ye

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2014
    Messages:
    246
    Likes Received:
    409
    Location:
    Mansfield, Ohio
    The .404 will stay sharp longer
     
    Oliver1655, Kg461, Hedgerow and 3 others like this.
  3. mdavlee

    mdavlee

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2013
    Messages:
    4,380
    Likes Received:
    10,479
    It also makes a nice wide kerf when bucking. The .5 second difference in cut speed would probably be saved over the time it takes to dull it. I'm sure semi chisel .404" would be real nice for dirty wood.
     
  4. SquareFile

    SquareFile

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2014
    Messages:
    1,838
    Likes Received:
    6,567
    Location:
    somewhere
    Did you use a single bevel file on the .404 being the side plate is taller?
     
  5. thistle

    thistle

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2013
    Messages:
    2,736
    Likes Received:
    9,753
    Location:
    Polk/Guthrie Counties,IA
    I only use .404 square tooth skip on the Mac125C. I do like that being its almost indestructible & stays sharper longer than 3/8 in heavy cuts.A couple of the big gear drives have old & now rare 9/16 skip that are in excellent shape.The 2 big Husqvarnas would pull .404 no problem but I have 3/8 on them for a bit more pulling power.
     
    bigbarf48 likes this.
  6. splitoak

    splitoak

    Joined:
    May 12, 2014
    Messages:
    1,291
    Likes Received:
    2,461
    Location:
    jefferson co wv
    Nice.. mdavlee i see you put vid with the husky s2800..:thumbs:...
     
    mdavlee likes this.
  7. MasterMech

    MasterMech The Mechanical Moderator

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2013
    Messages:
    9,648
    Likes Received:
    26,024
    Location:
    Greenville County SC
    I kinda want to see what happens with .404" Vs 3/8" in big wood on a big saw. Is there a point at which .404" is a better choice than 3/8"? I have my 1050 setup with .404" full-comp chisel (46RS) right now and while it pulls all 36" of it around the 8 pin rim, I would like some more pulling power. Need to find a way to get it down to a 7 pin or get a 3/8" setup for the clutch.
     
    Oliver1655, Hedgerow and mdavlee like this.
  8. mdavlee

    mdavlee

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2013
    Messages:
    4,380
    Likes Received:
    10,479
    Same double bevel file.
     
  9. awol

    awol

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2014
    Messages:
    21
    Likes Received:
    98
    Location:
    Cabool MO.
    That 385 sounds like it's running pretty good, is it stock?
    The .404 seems to be very effective on older, slower rpm reeders like the Mac 797, 125, s250, and the like.
     
    Oliver1655 likes this.
  10. mdavlee

    mdavlee

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2013
    Messages:
    4,380
    Likes Received:
    10,479
    It's stock. The chain wouldn't tighten up on the 64. I wanted to try it on it since it's ported.
     
  11. DexterDay

    DexterDay Administrator

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2013
    Messages:
    12,411
    Likes Received:
    31,632
    Location:
    Northeast Oh
    Nice video and nice comparison!
     
  12. Hedgerow

    Hedgerow

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2013
    Messages:
    1,495
    Likes Received:
    4,849
    Location:
    SW Missouri
    On that saw, just find a 7 pin. It'll give you what you're looking for..
    .404 will remove some serious material.. Just need more power to do it. Not sure how many HP it would take to overtake the 3/8"..
    You can bet we will find out at some point..
    But Mike's right, it removes a wide kerf that's very forgiving when working over a big trunk..
     
  13. mdavlee

    mdavlee

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2013
    Messages:
    4,380
    Likes Received:
    10,479
    I guess I could port the 385 and see what that does with it.
     
    clemsonfor, Hedgerow and SquareFile like this.
  14. awol

    awol

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2014
    Messages:
    21
    Likes Received:
    98
    Location:
    Cabool MO.
    Remember also that a seven pin in .404 is just a little bit bigger than an eight pin in 3/8.
    A 125 Mac is faster with seven pin 404, then it is with eight of 3/8, but when changed to a ten pin, the 3/8 is a little faster. I have video to go along with this subject, have to see what I can dig up!
     
    Oliver1655, Hedgerow, mdavlee and 2 others like this.
  15. Hedgerow

    Hedgerow

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2013
    Messages:
    1,495
    Likes Received:
    4,849
    Location:
    SW Missouri
    How many horsepower you figure a built 125 puts out?
     
  16. bogydave

    bogydave

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2013
    Messages:
    10,313
    Likes Received:
    37,218
    Location:
    Alaska, North of Anchorage & South of Fairbanks
    Nice vids.
    Chains saw is like Christmas music , love it.

    You cutting green maple ?
     
    mdavlee likes this.
  17. awol

    awol

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2014
    Messages:
    21
    Likes Received:
    98
    Location:
    Cabool MO.
    A "built" 125 on meth with a pipe will dyno above 20hp. An old stocker like mine is only in the 8 or 9 HP range I think. They like to pull hard, not fast, I think that's why they are faster in race cants with a big gear.
     
  18. mdavlee

    mdavlee

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2013
    Messages:
    4,380
    Likes Received:
    10,479
    Maple is correct. Been down a few months.
     
  19. Hedgerow

    Hedgerow

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2013
    Messages:
    1,495
    Likes Received:
    4,849
    Location:
    SW Missouri
    Well, I'd think 20hp might warrant a .404. Hard to say...
    If you build a Mac like that, we could try it...
    :D
     
  20. MasterMech

    MasterMech The Mechanical Moderator

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2013
    Messages:
    9,648
    Likes Received:
    26,024
    Location:
    Greenville County SC
    Gotta find me a six-spline .404" 7 pin now.

    EDIT: Huh, a quick glance at Oregon's site tells me that my rim choices for an SD-6 clutch drum (STD 6 spline) are .404" 8T, .404" 8T, and ..... (Guess.)

    Guess I'm really looking for a SD-7 clutch drum for my 1050.....
     
    Last edited: Dec 3, 2014
    Hedgerow likes this.