Twas out pheasant hunting at Bong in Wisconsin this morning. Did good pheasant hunting.................. as I've got real good dogs!!.......................but what I saw at least 5 different times today troubled me!!!!!!! There were folks C&Sing on property adjacent to "Bong" and hauling it to a farm with an OWB belching out thick, grey/green smoke!!! Saw 2 trailers full of cut&split wood heading towards that farm going out with my 1st dog. I also saw 1 trailer full of the same heading back to the same farm on my way back with my first dog. Total time; about 1.5 hours!!! Change out dogs..................going in, another load is going out toward the farm. Make a loop with my dog which takes about 45min-1hour and I see another load of green wood heading towards that same farm. This is "farm" country around Bong State Recreation Area in Wisconsin.....................but still. The "fog" coming from this OWB was 100x thicker than the fog produced by the frost burning off the foliage today!! Just saying, not arguing!!! We need to police ourselves before they ban wood burning all together!!!
Yup...I agree. Trouble is you can't fix stupid. 98% of the laws were designed for 2% of the populace.
Those things are truely a curse. There is a guy down the road from me who has one and he can smoke out the whole valley on the right days. Thank goodness he is down wind of me or I would be unhappy.
There is one across the street from me. The first winter I lived here he put out a lot of smoke. After that he got ahead, and even though he splits the wood just before he burns it, I guess the years it spends as rounds dries it out enough to reduce the smoke a whole lot. Down the street is an indoor burner of some sort, and the chimney smokes all winter. When the weather is calm the indoor burner smokes out a valley with about 15 homes in it (but not my house, fortunately). My point is that indoor woodburners can also be operated really poorly, making wood burning look bad.
yep, house across the drive from me put in a wood stove this summer, had some wood delivered in Oct. dont think it was seasoned as he always has alot of smoke coming out his stack. Most my neighbors know I burn, I just hope they dont think it is me smelling up the neighborhood
One of the things I was talking about in a thread a couple of weeks ago. Hard to defend for some one when his wood stove chimney looks like the stack on the Robert E. Lee going up the "big muddy".
One big problem is those who have the OWB do not see it as a problem and will argue with anyone who wants to argue. So this makes it only an emotional thing with common sense thrown out the door.
Keep on picking on the OWB owners. Must be open season. Yeah, a lot of them burn green wood, but then there must be at least 3-4 threads every fall talking about indoor owners buying/gathering their wood for this year. Same problem, its just that the exhaust is a little higher.
There is a guy I work with that built his chimney out some solid metal pipe for well casing just so he can have an intentional fire in it every few weeks to burn out the creosote There is literally creosote running down his roof and house and when his chimney isn't on fire it is rolling coal most of the time. So I agree it isn't just OWB that are doing it however the majority of the times I see chimneys smoking like crazy is from OWB setups.
Nothing against OWB's on my part, I just have the notion that a lot of the folks using them have the perception that "it'll burn anything" and operate it that way. Too much work to get at least a year ahead! If they were explained how much WATER was in a ton of green wood, and explained that all that water uses a whole big bunch of their heat energy to evaporate it, it might "close the loop" for them to come to the other side.
I bought a house back in the early 90's that matches the description of the chimney and roof! It even coated the eaves and dripped down the siding. From another one of those lifelong burners.
Unfortunately, there are those that will never change just because. Anyone that thinks things out can understand that wet wood does not contain more btu's.
So, what is the answer? How to go about changing bad habits? It goes against my nature to tell someone else to clean up their act. Once you open the door to imposing regulations, then it becomes a Pandora's box. If you don't do something, the harmful effects will mandate regulations.
I love this because it is so true. Some people as they get older become resistant to change,the statement I hear usually is "I've done it this way for 50 years, worked for me, if it ante broke, don't fix it". Even when modern methods, new ideas and technology have given us new, faster, easier ways to achieve the same results. It is something that I fear as I grow older, inflexibility in my thinking with respect to change.
Don't believe that age makes you that way. Those habits were learned long before someone got old. Yes, new things can be more challenging when we get older, but believe me, those of us who have become older are real good at change. Our bodies demand it of us every day. We adapt to new ways, like taking longer, or asking for help, or using tools that we didn't before, even leaning to ignore things that used to annoy us. Unless you have the misfortune of dementia, you will respond to change as it is needed, just as you have done in your younger years.
x2, and as well as the aged, the handicap/disabled. Depending on others is a hard pill to swallow, and hiring out help dents the finances. Though I do know some that do things for too many years that don't produce good results. I think it was rottiman that said you can't fix stupid.
Agreed. Been in the firewood biz for 26 years. Been trying to convince my customers the entire time. Have only converted a few out of thousands. 95% of my sales are green. Even in January. And not just OWB burners.