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Pellet heads!! What's up today?

Discussion in 'Pellet Stoves, Pellet Fireplaces, Pellet Furnaces' started by DexterDay, Jan 16, 2014.

  1. Dpopps

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    I got 2-200ah batteries, so that should be a little over 5,000 watt hours. 360 watts would should give a 13 hour run time.

    I seen zon has some 280ah batteries for a good price. But there not the brand I got. You would have to look around YouTube for breakdown and reviews if there any good.
     
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    Understandable about the roof - I also declined a woodstove, with that as one of the factors. I have a couple of Lifpo battery packs to backup my stoves (bluetti and Ecoflow). I use solar during the summer to charge them and run various appliances. During winter, solar is a no-go (even my roof top solar barely produces anything). However, I use the stations as a pass thru from mains power and so the stoves always have a backup. That gave me such peace of mind when I was gone for 10 days over the last month.

    I also have a 40v Ryobi battery station with eight or so 6.0 ah batteries that can be pulled into use. Since I already have Ryobi 40v tools, the station was a no-brainer for me.

    Everyone has their own unique circumstances and priorities, and I hope you find the solution that is right for you.
     
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    Yes.....We all have varying situations and circumstances that we have to work with/around

    I have spent many hours researching all the various types of battery backup systems.....What would work well will cost me far more than the Wiseway stove.
    I would like a system that can run the large Whitfield for 48 hours uninterrupted .....That type of equipment is just not in the budget........


    The small backup units might make it 8 hours.......
    As we both have mentioned....The solar systems in winter are pretty much a waste of time and $$$$$$$$$$$

    I did find one system that might do the trick....but I would need to get the parts and build it...

    The huge deep cycle battery is the deal breaker and it is not a long term investment..... The battery is always the weak link (Needing to be replaced )

    I still come back to the nonelectric stove......

    We might use the "Backup stove" once or twice in a winter maybe.....Then it will sit for months.......

    The stove can sit for a decade and then be fired up and go to work......

    Having the big battery backup set up like a UPS would be sweeeeeet.....But the cost and such puts it out of reach...
     
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    Actually, Southern facing panels that have the tilt adjusted for the lower sun angle do pretty darn well. I make just as much as I do in the summer.

    I took the backup up to doing several critical circuits. Was only going to do as backup at first, but now I'm running in UPS mode and with solar as priority actually reducing my crazy high electric bill. But that is a total whole different reason and worth slinging $$ at it. We pay $0.31 a KWH where it used to be $0.22/KWH. So making some free juice is worth it for us. As for back up the price of these power stations is reasonable. Expanding the run time is the pricey part. Adding more reserve can cost as much or more than the main unit.

    I do see where a non electric stove would benefit! I miss my wood stove in the power outages. No juice required!!
     
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    Biggest issue here is the lack of sun in the winter.
    USUALLY ...when we get outages and need backup the weather is socked in and the panels just don't do squat .....
    Summer...An entirely different game for sure.....

    The power company approached us with one of their "Deals" a while back.....They sent out a tech to check things out....I asked him to show up on a day that the weather was wretched.....Like when we could possible use the backup the most...

    As I expected....Not worthwhile to consider the install.
    We are at an elevation where we are in the soup when there is a storm system moving through....
    Wind....We get lots of that.....
    Again...the cost of setting things up just does not pencil out....
     
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    Gotta make hay when the sun shines. Store it for future use. Its a big issue if you converting to go total solar, But if your just using it as backup in small batches, It's much easier. Just saying. I know solar isn't for everyone, But planning and storage can buffer out some of the obstacles.

    I only get 4 hours of good sun. I have enough storage for 8+ hours of run. Slowly building the system to where we can produce and store a days worth of free energy. But small steps. I'll go up to 50% of our critical needs this spring. And aim for 12 hours of storage. Then as $$ allows slowly up the storage to say 2 to 3 days.

    If I was just going to generate and store for back up. I would aim for 3 days of storage or the longest outage you've seen in the years you've lived there. Or if your power is cheap, Just use the grid to charge the storage batteries. Doesn't have to be solar. Our case is solar is cheap, The grid is whats killing us. So far, My worst outage has been 2 days. So I want 2 solid days of storage, but I also have the gas genny which I can run in the daylight hours to take over and also recharge the storage batteries.

    Again Just sayin, Do whatever works for you! ;)
     
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    Have used the snowblower 3 times over the last 5-6 days. Have more snow coming Thurs and Sat-Sun. I will have used it more by then than I have the past 2 winters combined, maybe 3.

    After the rain last night and drop in temp, had to put the ice cleats on to go out and put out bird seed.

    sam
     
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    Sure was slickery this morning! Even Brodie with his built in cleats was sliding. He came down the slope and nearly wiped out. I couldn't go past the walk way. Started to melt off, But the wind picked up and froze it all over again.
     
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    It's nice that lithium is now more affordable. I would like to have a 20,000 watt hour back up system for emergency use. My electric isn't that much at .18 cents a kw.

    Lithium batteries last so long, seems like a ok investment. I have a generator, but ya never know if they don't feel like starting up.

    I use to have a wood stove at my other house, but it's really frowned upon with insurance companies. Funny they don't care if you have an EV or 10 high powered lithium batteries in your garage though.
     
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    Wow, That much. We are looking into eventually getting to around 12KWH's backup. But we aren't doing the whole house power. Just the critical circuits like the pellet stove. fridge freezer fish tank and some lights. I may add the Wifi/Bluetooth to it once we get the larger power station.

    The next power station has to have a better app. I want PV priority UPS and history of the total KW's we capture with solar. Looks like Bluetti has the better app for that stuff. Most of the others you need to buy their smart home panel. I'd rather spend the extra on the batteries or more solar panels!!
     
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    Well, that works for you and your situation. I have very little actual sunshine during winter because of snow and heavy cloud cover. In January, between snow and heavy overcast, I had 11 days that I produced less than 1.3 kwh from my rooftop solar. I had 5 days in a row at less than 0.5 kwh. So far, for February, I've had 3 days of producing 0.1 to 0.4 kwh of solar energy. Yesterday I did produce 7 kwh. (my system is 8,000 kw - so it's not like I'm doing this with a dinky system).

    The roof is the only place that isn't in shade at least 80% of the day too (when the sun actually does make an appearance). I'm sure if I had a lot of acreage and cut down all the trees (and didn't have a mountain on my east side), those numbers would go up, but I don't have that option, so it is what it is.
     
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    The solar systems in the right physical location can certainly work well...
    We are pretty much in the same boat as B
    Cloudy and sloppy.....
    The last couple weeks of January we had clear weather.....Sadly the sun angle is so low that the trees to the south pretty much blocks any real usable sunshine.

    I keep going over the possibilities that can work.

    The battery backups look quite inviting, but the long term life of these is not where I want to be....

    I want long term, use it if I need it and let things sit if I don't.....We currently have a 3500 watt Predator Generator.....It has served us well for a few years....It is a fuel hog......

    I am still exploring a small inverter generator in the 1200 watt size that can operate for a day on a tank of fuel.
    The Predator will not make it through the night on a tank full
    Fill it at 6 pm and it needs fuel by the weeee morning hours..
    I am not really interested in this plan any more.

    All the cool looking stuff just all seems to fall short of my expectations or my budget does....

    I have not pulled the trigger on any one plan......YET.....Still looking and reading.

    We did start the floor protector project for the Wiseway a couple years ago...

    I am still coming up short as far as really good ideas..
     
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    Panels aimed east or west do little in winter on roof mounts. Plus the angle is usually too low. Winter angle needs to be higher(my long-lat is 44º). This is why I ditched the idea of have a company solar my house roof. Did the research you suggest when I asked.

    I only have an acre+ so no solar field! I just have 2 540w panels on the garage/shed roof. Aimed directly south. Its winter so I have them set to 44º. The roof is low enough I can reach them with a roof broom to keep them clean. I average 2kw during the winter. My best day was 3.3kw worst day in January was 0.5kw. Summer I'll drop the angle down to 34º to catch just a little more. I've seen more than 5kw on a good long sunny day. The only way I could do better is get the tracking panel arrays where it locates and follows the sun. I could likely extend the gain to about 6+ hours instead of the 4 or 5 I get now.

    My panels are bifacial so even when I haven't cleaned them they still produce about 100 watts from the reflection off the roof. Most times they warm up enough to melt off the snow.
     
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    Don't let us knuckleheads get to you. The no power option of the wiseway may just be all you need to sneak by. If it doesn't work? Maybe you could replace it with a small wood stove and a through the wall vent setup?

    I had people tell me I was crazy trying to power my garage with solar. They all said I wouldn't make enough to amount to even run just the lights. I made so much we decided to expand and use it as backup power. And did pretty well with that too. So we are trying the next set to see if we can assist to lower our energy bill!! If it doesn't work at least I can say we tried. :)

    Curious if you plan to burn shells with it or just wood pellets?
     
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    I'm tinkering with a small 200 watt panel to use while I tear apart the roof array for an expansion of more panels. On a moderately sunny day I was able to get around 150 watts which is good enough to support the battery charge for the garage lighting. I may add another to be sure we will keep that or the power station once we transfer that back out there when its warmer.

    Not my actual pic, But its the same model. I've got to figure out how to get screen capture from my Victron solar charger's app and post the history of what it captured.

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    The batteries aren't that expensive, especially for how long that last. Zon has 280ah for under $400, maybe they'll drop more in the future?

    I want to have a 10,000 watt continuous 240- split phase inverter. Those are $$$$. I would like to run the well pump off the batteries if needed.
     
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    Indeed! I was startled with some of the prices of those! I did see a PoweMr 3000 watt hybrid that you can sister another 2 it that gives split phase, but still is pricey once you double the price. A 6000 watt EG4 is like $1200 iirc.

    Luckily my well pump is only 120V(it does have the option to wire it for 240v) and I might add that if I can produce enough with the solar(otherwise it does run off the gas genny). I'm going to up the 3000 watt inverter/power station and go with a 5000 watt jic we can make enough. I may also try to sneak in the microwave if possible. And of coarse the coffee maker and Kuerag. My dang list keeps getting longer and longer!

    The only things I'd need 240V split phase for would be the water heater, range and the cloths dryer.
     
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    The inverter I would get currently is $1,700. But it also can do solar charging/controller. That's a nice option if I did choose to add some panels, it would be simply adding the wires.

    If I did a big system right now for everything needed probably cost around 5k. It's definitely pricey but these batteries last so long if taken care of.

    They do sell monitors pretty cheap with stints. That way you can monitor the system and see what power is going in or out. I think zon had one for around a $50 spot.
     
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    My issue is zoning and all the freakin inspections of a DIY system. So going power station with 4 to 6 panels(2000 to 3000 watts). No inspection as its similar to adding a gas generator. Just need to have stuff installed and checked by an electrician. Kind of the easy route for us so the likely path we follow.

    My main panel with generator interlok has already passed inspection. Garage stand alone passed as well. Both have the proper interloks installed. I just need to run a conduit from the garage to the house and have that check under the OG permit. I'll run a big enough conduit to handle all the back and forth wiring and leave a fish string in it too JIC.

    I've just got to figure out what else I'm going to add to the new powerstation and get some killowatt readings to be sure I have enough umph and storage. Then I'll order the Bluetti AC300 or AC500(the most likely we go with for expansion room). Start with one B300s battery and add another later?

    Right now I have 4 100ah 12v batteries connected(48V) to the Pecron E1500LFP and I gained a chit load of storage/runtime. I hope I can do the same with the Bluetti as its the cheapest form of additional storage. Depends on the connections to the internal batterys??
     
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    That should give you a good amount of run time. In the summer you can save a few bucks also when the sun can charge everything up.

    I've never seen anyone in my area checking anything. But I would install anything the right way, just for safety.
     
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