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Random question about a pot belly.

Discussion in 'Non-EPA Woodstoves and Fireplaces' started by Pallet Pete, Jan 7, 2024.

  1. Pallet Pete

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    I built a backyard bar last year and have been seriously thinking about adding a small pot belly stove in the back left corner. It is enclosed with tarps in the winter and I would have heat shields behind the stove. I find a lot of them and assume that they would need to be sealed with refractory sealant or cement of some kind to stop the air leaks.

    I have found they can do wood or coal. For my uses probably wood.

    Do you non epa guys feel that it could heat the outdoor bar effectively in the winter. I don’t want it hot 50 or 60 would be plenty hot.

    When the smokers are going in the dead of winter it isn’t warm but even that little bit of heat makes it better than outside with the tarps drawn shut.

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    It would eat a lot of fuel and take up some space but should work fine. Don’t see how this would be much different than when we’re up hunting and trapping in the canvas wall tents. Might look at placing it more in the middle like the water tank table/cooler and then everyone can sit around the fire adjusting themselves for temp instead of shuffling people to get their time close to the heat.

    Nice build, looks good.



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    I will think about that idea too.... I hadn't really considered the center because id still like the table in that spot but maybe if I rearranged things somehow.

    I added a picture with arrows to show a little better what I'm debating. The roofline up top has open eves that I am going to make removable foam panels for the winter to stop the heat from escaping as fast. The will slide in place from the inside and I can take them out in the warm months when I want them open.

    The stove location would be where the can is at on the left.

    The thought was to install the chimney so that it doesn't need to go through the roof but rather out and up the side.

    If I put it where the table is instead do you think it would more evenly move heat? My concern is that I don't want to take up the floor space or have it blocking people from seeing each other. I do have ceiling fans installed that aren't in the pictures. I don't know if they would help much though. Im a newbie to the pot bellied world.
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    You’ll get 360* heat out of the stove is what I was thinking about for placing in the middle, and not limiting half the heating surface. The stove doesn’t have to be very big for that space and shouldn’t block or hinder sight or conversation. Keeping the floor plan also works great too. Fans and rearranging chairs will help heat move and keep your floor plan similar to the picture. The corner will take a beating over time even with shields. Keep an eye on the tarp material for degradation from heat and dry(even on one side, inside only). Adjusting will happen until it’s dialed in, watch your guests, people will generally gravitate to the heat even subconsciously.

    An idea for getting the pipe through to the outside. A stove jack for canvas tent. No holes in the roof, no gaps in he tarp wall. The have oval holes too, works great for running the pipe up and out on an angle.
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    You'd have to use doublewall pipe due to CTC (roof framing) which takes the CTC spec down to 6"...that and the OD of the pipe takes you to the bottom of the pipe being roughly 13" below the bottom of the roof framing...is that an issue?
    Singlewall pipe has 18" CTC...or 9" with shielding.
     
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    Not being critical with my question- is the pot bellied stove the choice for style, or do you have one in mind or on hand that you'd want to use?
    Bang for your buck, a Mr Buddy heater hooked to a propane tank would likely be the easiest way to heat that area while you were in it.
     
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    I hadn’t thought about a stove jack that’s an interesting idea! You make a good point about location. I may make it removable for the warm months so that could work well. If it where central then id have to put it through the roof which is ok if I seal it up right the pipe and stove could move.
     
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    I had been thinking about out the side of the roof and up but now I’m considering a bunch of options. I’ve been eyeballing clearances and it would have to be double wall. o_O
     
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    Yes it would look good out in the bar as well as be capable of roasting people out :rofl: :lol: I thought it would fit the bar design well. Well until I really thought about it.
     
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    Don't overindulge and fall onto it when its choochin! :coldone:
     
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    On second thought... You only live once... I think the pot belly stove is a pretty good idea and would look great.
    You'd have a little logistical work to figure out- and I can kind of conceive of a few options to make it work without destroying the vibe you have going there. If I had a vote- I'd say go for it.
     
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    I'm all for a heated outdoor area.

    Will this area be always kept warm?

    Are the smokers drop-ins, or live-ins?

    If drop-ins, how much lead time between match and radiating heat?

    I have an enclosed 10x10 screen house, that propane heaters heat up nicely when playing cards with friends. They radiate heat as soon as they are lit.

    I'd think primary use would dictate a heating solution.

    Enjoy the journey!
     
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    More spitballing. If you’re going to or might make stove and pipe removable, can you suspend your pipe? We used to hang our pipe from stainless wire for support then out one of the jacks in the side walls. Not sure of the height of your room(big hair aqua-net safety concerns). Or if possible(I don’t know) maybe install an over size pipe through the roof for a sleeve. Then the normal pipe can be removed by sliding in and out of the oversized already installed. Then you penetrate the roof and seal one time not every time on set up and break down.

    Just more thoughts. Pictures though when you decide and get it built.



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    I have a tiny pot bellied I put in my basement just for fun. They are air leakers, but I don't care about that, it was just for looks and heat when down there.
    They definitely put out the heat! Good choice, and good looking bar!!!
     
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    I had a yolo moment the other day and purchased a rancher style stove. :thumbs: Im going after it bad idea or not. :rofl: :lol:
     
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    No it won't be heated full time.
    The smokers, Blackstone and grill all live in the outdoor bar full time aside from the Davey Crockett it lives there but goes on vacation from time to time.
    It gets decently warm even with the gables open up top when both smokers are going in the 25 to 30F range outside. It will raise the temp to the 50's. My hope is the stove will crank it up to the 55 to 60 range by itself once the side walls are completed. The front of the bar will stay open permanently.
     
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    I like that idea! I hadn't thought about a slip pipe... I don't know if I want to hang the pipe but I do want to be able to pull it down when its not in use just because I want to protect the stove from the moisture outside. There is a dual ceiling fan installed last year that sets over the seating area. I believe it leaves enough room for the stove pipe to go up and put but I am still debating through the wall once its finished. Im honestly not sure yet.
     
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    I figure its an outdoor bar so hopefully air leaks won't matter much but I do plan to get it taken apart and sealed as much as I can before install.
     
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    So this is what I landed on.

    The owner said it was her 3rd great grandfathers stove. It had been in the family ever since and nobody used it for a while. It has a heck of a nice greasy finish to it from use which is exactly what I wanted. Its dry to the touch which preserves the cast iron. Its missing the center of the shaker grate and the air control adjusting cover. On a whim I emailed the company to see if they still had documentation and they said no however they do still have some parts in stock... :hair: So maybe I won't need to fab the grate. Overall its in superb shape.... The only real rust I saw on it was the top and its very minor surface rust. It was literally a full send moment when I saw the stove..


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    O wildwest I forgot I was gonna tell you about it too.
     
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