Least they could do is let it be full first..

Close but no cigar Dave

The 26% Federal tax credit is for the PV solar only and is only good for 2022 installs, it goes down to 22% in 2023. It is a tax credit, so you don’t get it until you file taxes. It can only offset your current tax liability, however it does roll over from year to year so if you for some reason don’t have a tax liability greater than the credit (unlikely) you can still claim it in later years. Some PV installers will “front” the credit to qualified customers so you don’t necessarily have to pay the full bill to the PV installer.

The EVs qualify for a tax credit based on the size of their battery. Both of mine qualified for the full $7500 credit. However these are limited to 200,000 units per manufacture. Tesla has sold well over 200,000 cars so people who buy them do not get this credit. So if your planning on buying an EV you might want to check how many EVs the brand you are buying has sold, it’s somewhere in the IRS website. Beware though EV tax credits do not roll over, you must take them in the year you bought the vehicle.

Maine had an additional $2000 credit that is taken at the POS so this in actuality did bring the $ I had to give to the dealer down. Other states differ.

You can call it deceptive to not include this credit in the price of the car, I’ll disagree.

Sales tax varies by state and in fact some states waive or reduce the sales tax on EVs so I may not have included that in my numbers because I’m sure everyone here is throughly familiar with paying sales tax

If you have any actual information that JD received any money from the Fed for the development of that electric tractor, I’d love to see it. I’m sure I can dig up a boatload of information on the subsidies to Big Oil, Farming, etc.

 

Go look up Agrovoltaics, you can certainly grow certain crops in and amongst solar farms.

 

I did...sounds like there is not much of it being done in the US.
And as someone who grew up on a farm, and still lives in the same neighborhood, I can tell you for sure that this sounds like a great idea...when everything works right...which only happens about 3 times per month on most farms...in other words, farming in rows between a bunch of solar panel posts=ROYAL PITA!

My employer has about 15 acres of solar field...which now they pay to mow, because nobody thought about this lil detail, and the way the panels and wiring were installed doesn't allow for animals to graze there...OOPS! I suggested sheep, as they wouldn't likely mess with the wires, but they shot down that idea too...fine, its your money, pay the dang landscapers to mow it, I don't care.
Funny story about that...one day I was nearby (just across the creek) and heard a machine in the area, but it sounded weird, not like a normal mowing sound...as I proceeded about my business, I came closer to where the sound was coming from and realized it was the landscapers mowing the solar field, but he was stuck, although he could still move a little (Kubota zero turn IIRC) so he was givin 'er heck, back n forth, back n forth, mud just flyin as he seemingly just further buried the machine...I kinda chuckled to myself, knowing the frustration all too well. A minute or so later the uproar stops for a second and all I hear is this dude scream SON OF A BEECH! at the top of his lungs...I was flat out LOL at that point (he had no idea anyone was around)
I was really surprised, he kept at it and eventually got himself out...I would have lost that bet.

 

BINGO! Exactly right.

 

Just looked up farm subsidies for my county .
Wow !

 

Yes, that’s your tax dollars paying those subsidies. I don’t like paying taxes myself.

 

What part of the point are you contesting? The fact that it is a credit and is not/may not be realized until some time a year from now? You should be clear as crystal on this since you did it.

Buying the product, you pay 100% of the price/install right? If you feel the need to candy-coat the whole sell of solar, whether it be residential or vehicle, something is wrong. No need to make it more attractive than what it is, right?

Paying sales tax is a huge part of the final price of any purchase and should not be omitted just to make the product more attractive. Of course we all pay it and of course it varies state by state, but it is still part of the total price.
Next year, when you do realize the credit or a portion of it, that's the time to strut, not before.


Don't get me wrong, if there is a product available (solar) that will actually save $$ bottom dollar, I'd be interested in it. But be upfront and report the entire cost as well as real world time that it actually begins to be "free". You know....like 10 or 12 years later???

 

Maybe it’s time for a math story problem ? It’s not that hard to understand and no sugar coating.

I purchased my new Chevy volt for $32,000 out the door . 6 months later I got a $7500 federal EV tax credit . Pretty basic math !

 

I was helping a farmer friend yesterday. We had three 230-250HP John Deere and 1 Fent 250HP tractors either hauling manure or running a 24' finishing tool. One 225 HP tractor on the agitator/pump. One 175 HP on a disk an a 65HP on a grain drill. We started at 6:30am and ran until it started raining at 6:45pm, normally, we go til 9. I was on a JD7230 R. I had to fill up once around 4pm. It took 100 gallons.

How many times would the pump shut off if we had to fill 7 tractors at a commercial station?

 

Or how many times would you have to stop all work to charge an electric tractor? They probably come factory with solar panels on the roof to trickle charge all day I bet.

 

If you can catch a rainbow with it, you get bonus all day charge!

 

I would guess that would depend on actual performance, in real world conditions. Soil conditions like compaction, sod, corn residue (slippery, more wheel slippage) would come into play. Running a tractor out of diesel out in the field is a royal pain. You have to bleed the air out of the system. I can only imagine a Ev tractor dead in the field is even worse. Maybe my neighbor would be willing to help out in that situation. He is committed to using green energy when maintaining his property. Here's how he powers his weedeater:

 

Yup can always have a tank of fuel on hand just in case. On another note I’m in the middle of United ag and turf. About a week to complete this dealer with 9 people working on it. 36 stores. The PI store is big ag. Has a nice 8T-370 there if you’re interested. Couple 9000 series tractors too.

 

So back to the original topic of this post, if you have them run your card in the booth or store, it won't shut off until you're done pumping....at least around here.

 

Hell my property taxes are higher than that!! Farmland needs to make more an acre here.

remember when cell phone towers first came out what they were paying for towers on farms

 

Sounds like poor planning on either your employer’s or the PV installers part. Agrovoltaics is still viable option.

 

I am contesting the accuracy of your summary of my post on the other thread for exactly the reasons I spelled out. I am and was crystal clear about exactly how the various tax incentives work. Your summary was not correct, so in wanting to be completely clear I corrected it.

Baloney! I am not trying to candy coat anything. I posted the actual contract with the PV installer and the actual stickers from the two EVs I bought, how could I have been anymore transparent.

Yes sales tax is obviously a large part of the total price paid on such a large purchase, and I did pay sales tax, and was never trying to hide that as an additional cost, like I said before EVERYONE is throughly familiar with paying sales tax. I posted all of my information so that anyone else who might be interested would have some real world numbers to compare to. Sales tax is different by State, so for comparisons sake for someone who might not be in Maine it is most accurate to go by sticker price and not include sales tax.

Maybe it’s just a difference in how you and I think about things when we purchase something and the product comes with a rebate or a tax incentive that I am not going to actually realize until I get the rebate check or the tax credit. I think about the cost of the purchase AFTER the rebate or incentive because in reality that is what I am ultimately paying. So when I know that I am getting $9500 in tax rebates on a $50,000 purchase, I see it as a $40,500 purchase. It is not that I’m trying to hide or candy coat anything. And again I was completely transparent in reporting my costs and for me in my situation it is and will continue to save me money and I never said any aspect of it was free. I am not strutting. I don’t find strutting a productive or a redeeming personal quality and if you think you are going to goad me into a d!ck measuring pizzing contest by trying to insult me you are wasting your time.

edit to add:
I think everyone is probably tired of hearing about it so if you feel the need to continue why don’t you pm me.

 

I agree on the poor planning.
But agrovoltaics is not a viable option for this property...it was marginal farmland before, but not worth a crap partially/mostly shaded...but to me the real "insult to injury" is having to pay to have it mowed/maintained now (although I completely disagree with their decision to not graze sheep in there...I think it would be totally fine)

 

I have 20 acres down the road , 10 tillable and 10 woods . Property taxes are $850 per year .