Even the EV guy gets it..

I agree with this but as stated earlier by not just me, some people buy EV's because they hope to save money in the long run

 

jrider I wasn’t trying to point you out as wrong.
Just that the problem is more of knotted mess than a simple meme or commercial could capture.

Admire your logic and work ethic

 

Are the charging stations people park at free? If not what does it cost to charge a vehicle completely?

 

What I have seen it really varies and nearly all charging is done overnight at home using lower rates- in which case its adding around $30/month to peoples power bill. Since you start everyday with a "full tank" the public chargers aren't used and even then most EVs come with a year or two of free charging. After that they are more expensive than home charging but I don't think it nearly approaches gasoline prices. You can also factor in the decreased maintenance costs (no oil changes, exhaust work, fewer brake jobs) and I don't think we are that far from EV's being cheaper. Like people have mentioned we need to get the infrastructure and range improved but that's happening so fast right now.

 

You gotta have an income for the government to take it...
And redistribute...

 

That could happen before your next post

 

I can see the financial appeal. I'm reading 3-4 miles per kWh is average. I'm also reading to take the total monthly miles you drive and divide by 3 to get how many kWh's you would need a month.

So for me between work and personal use I drive around 1700-1800 miles per month, so 1700/3= 566.67.

At lets say .14 cents a kWh that's only $79 a month. I have to fill up at least twice a week right now. At $4/gallon its around $52 x 2 times a week x 4 weeks a month = $416 vs $79

I do wonder if EV becomes much more common if the kWh rates will go wayyy, wayyy up.

 

Just because it seems like you are genuinely interested I took the time to plan a route from near my home in Maine to Richmond, VA (~800 miles) using an EV specific navigating app. The software in the app is quite sophisticated and will allow you to enter in all sorts of parameters including the specific EV you are traveling in. It takes into account the weather, traffic etc, it will even monitor the specific charging stations it is routing you to and re-route you to alternate chargers should the charger you are en route to be busy as you approach it. The app will also communicate with the cars on board diagnostics (OBD) and monitor the cars performance/efficiency and as necessary re-route you to additional or fewer chargers as needed. Here is a link to the route if you really feel like playing with it.

A Better Routeplanner

TLDR Ellsworth, Maine to Richmond Va ~800 miles, 5 charging stops for a total of 1 hour and 12 minutes charging. Total route time 14hours 50 minutes.

And to answer your question about how much it costs to charge at a public charger...it depends usually 35-45 cents/kwh, EVs can get anywhere from 2.5-4 mi/kwh. My EV came with two years of free charging at public charging courtesy of the manufacture.

Keep in mind though that road tripping miles are usually a pretty small percentage of the average person's total miles per year.

 

Thanks for the info. A lot less time than I'd of thought. I do a similar length route (Central MA to Myrtle Beach) almost yearly to visit a friend and its 840 miles each way.

 

Cool, I did not know such panels existed, GLW your install. I was able to design our current house from the ground up with PV solar in mind, so we are at exactly 180 with the roof pitch optimized for solar panel production at our latitude.

 

Here are two vids from the same YouTube channel. His personal car. One road trip in summer and one in winter.

 

It is unfortunate that whatever big business is responsible for burying those components did not have the forethought to deal with them in a better way. I do not know a lot about wind power but my impression is not favorable. It is geared toward big business as opposed to home owner PV solar, which BTW currently PV panels are about 75% recyclable.

The beauty of PV solar is that it is affordable to the average homeowner and benefits them directly as opposed to benefitting big business a la wind power. And with many states having net metering in place, when you install the PV solar you are basically locking in your electricity rate based on what you pay for the array. If you are able to at least partially power an EV with your PV solar then you are locking in your cents/mile as well. As electricity and gasoline prices increase the ROI of the PV solar go down. My initial ROI throwing in considering the price of gas was 4-5 years for a $20K system. Given the way energy prices are going the array over it's lifespan could approach $100K in production.

 

They may be...but does anyone actually do it? If there are some, is even 51% recycled? From what I read, not.
I know almost all plastics are recyclable now, but here locally the recycle places will only take about 1/2 of what the average household makes. (due to type of plastic)

 

And if people actually opened their eyes just because you put something in the recycle bin doesn’t mean it gets recycled, most goes right to the landfill with the regular trash. That comes from a guy that owns a trash company and almost went bankrupt trying to actually do the recycling thing.

 

If you haven’t figured this one out yet NOTHING IS FREE! Someone pays. Is it tax dollars because government has no money of their own just tax dollars. I can guarantee the power company isn’t all in on this free electricity on their dime.

 

I think that’s kinda called supply and demand. I remember something about that from taking an economics class in high school. When demand goes up supply goes down prices go up brown outs start.

 

Yes. We all pay…especially to subsidize fossil fuels.

 

Yeah but you can buy gas almost anywhere and not have to worry about a dead battery

 

How much is still spent supporting oil, coal and gas? - BBC News

Sorry, this was supposed to appear in my previous message.
I’m glad your gas vehicle never let you down one time ever…