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Inherited MTD Horizontal/Vertical hydro splitter

Discussion in 'Chainsaws and Power Equipment' started by Horkn, Nov 12, 2021.

  1. Eric Wanderweg

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    Great little project getting your father’s old machine running again :yes: I had good luck with the Amazon sourced carburetor for my Simplicity snowblower. With the supply chain fiasco I don’t know if that’s something that’ll put a damper on going that route or not. Do you know anyone with an ultrasonic cleaner?
     
  2. Horkn

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    Yeah, I know. It's not worth $95 for the factory one. Otherwise stens has a direct fit for $40, but all that is is the same chinesium as Amazon with the price hiked. There's farmertech ones for an in between price, but those again are Chinese.

    One thing to watch for is reviews/ ratings. You can weed out the good items from the crap.
     
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  3. brenndatomu

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    Those carbs are super simple...if you can't get it to work, send it to me, I'll whip it into shape for ya.
     
  4. Horkn

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    Hopefully it's easy to clean up. I think the biggest thing is that the float doesn't swing easily. I'll try some carb cleaner on it before I do anything else.
     
  5. Creekin

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    Lately at the shop we've been using some combustion chamber cleaner in a can from mercury(?), black can,
    For cleaning various carbs

    With the straw you can spray in all the tiny ports and foams up real good, do it again.
    Foam comes out dark at the exit orifice, keep doing it till its clean, rinse with carb clean and reassemble
    Lately all the carb clean I've used doesn't seem to work all that great, maybe it's just me, don't fool around with carbs much anymore on the automotive side
     
  6. Reloader

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    My 25 ton came with a Briggs and Stratton motor. I’ve found shutting off the fuel valve for storage is necessary to avoid troubles as well. It does a good job of splitting.


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  7. amateur cutter

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    This!
     
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  8. Horkn

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    I haven't tried that foam stuff.

    Is this what you are talking about?
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  9. Creekin

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    Exact stuff!
     
  10. walt

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    That splitter is perfect to put up on a trailer. I like the half beam design ,it makes easier lifting to vertical . Full beam is fine if you change the fulcrum. It looks like your valve handle is just right and won't need moved. If you install a log lift you will need a dual spool valve or just add a single spool to run the lift. When I build one of these I make the table 28" off the ground ,this seems to be a good height . I will be building one for a friend that is 6' 5" I will make his an inch or two taller . If you h a 've any questions please feel free to contact me , I think you will like it when you are done
     
  11. Horkn

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    Thanks for the help walt ! Once I get it running, the trailer conversion will start to happen. My buddy has the perfect trailer to convert, it will need spring shackles and a little cutting down of the sides, but nothing major. Out will clear his yard up a bit too, lol.
     
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    I say from this day forward this style splitter conversion shall be known as the WaltSplitter © :handshake:
     
  13. Eric VW

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    Agreed! The man, the myth, the legend walt makes a super fine splitting setup. :handshake:
     
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    Thank You
     
  15. Horkn

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    I was calling it "Walt style" but I like Walt splitter better.
     
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    I am following Walt splitter
     
  17. MasterMech

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    Don't make the tank hold more than enough fuel for however long you want to work without a break. Fuel storage issues are why you're into the carb in the first place. Refueling every 4 hours is no big deal.

    Those carbs are really, really, simple internally. Clean up the mess as best you can, pull the main jet/needle, pull the idle jet/needle.

    Clean both of them out, inject cleaner in one end of the idle passage and check the flow through the idle transition ports. (look like three tiny holes in a triangle pattern near the throttle blade in closed position.)

    This is essential as it usually gets carb cleaner in your eye which is critical to ensuring you are angry enough to intimidate this carb into submission.

    If you don't get good flow, you'll have to remove the plugs that allow access. Verify you left plenty of chisel marks to warn the next guy that you were here already.

    It doesn't hurt to check the bowl vent (hole in the throat, near choke valve, vents directly into bowl) and make sure that's clear too.

    Check the float for liquid inside by shaking it near your ear. Make sure you smack your knuckles on a shelf, work bench, broom rack, etc. as the sting from the carb cleaner is probably wearing off at this point.

    Flood the rubber seat for the needle valve with carb cleaner, as this will soften it and cause it to swell, ruining it for further use. Then use about 300psi of compressed air to launch the seat into Low Earth Orbit. Bonus points if you don't have a new seat to install.

    You shouldn't reuse this part anyways but..... Of course you could leave it alone or remove it in a civilized manner with a small crochet-hook type tool, but that's absolutely above this engine's pay grade.

    When reassembling the float and needle valve, check the float level with the carb turned upside down and a 3/16" drill bit as your gauge.

    If it's off, feel free to "break-in" the new seat by forcing the float closer to the carb body and re-checking. That probably didn't help so for Plan B, use a small screw-driver to bend/pry the tang contacting the needle valve.

    Once the carb is back together and "clean enough", get it back on the engine, only to realize that the throttle shaft and it's bores are hopelessly waller'd out, and it's never going to adjust/run well.

    Replace the engine with a Predator or other Honda GX200 clone (preferably of Taiwanese origin), converting the whole shebang to a horizontal crank setup and a recoil that won't give up with little to no warning because the engine will actually start reliably thanks to having nothing to do with these penny-engineered carbs.

    Oh yeah, if there's a primer on the carb, it's likely bad (stiff/cracked/leaking), and due to the aforementioned penny-engineering, there's no choke, so that makes the engine hard to start (along with probable fuel quality issues), which is why the recoil was jacked up in the first place.

    In all seriousness, I would invest as little time and money into this engine as possible. They were engineered to be cheap, first and foremost. Reliability and longevity came in at a distant second/third. If you can get it running at all, to evaluate general condition, great. But you should take any excuse to re-power.

    If you decide to go ahead with rebuilding the carb - get the kit, get a bowl (preferrably from a snowblower application and one that has the bowl drain), and get the primer bulb. Taken care of, it should last another 15 years.
     
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  18. brenndatomu

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    You've done this before...I can tell :rofl: :lol::rofl: :lol::rofl: :lol:
    Carb cleaner in the eye...you are a greenhorn until you can get CC in the eye(s) and keep right on working :whistle::hair: :rofl: :lol: (bad idea by the way...go flush it out!)
     
  19. MasterMech

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    A few times.... ;)

    In my hay day, I could have the carb off a SnowKing powered snowblower, completely rebuilt (plugs out, clean, replace all needles/jets, replace plugs, new primer line), back on the machine and running 100% inside of 20 minutes. We got a half-hour to R&R the carb, and a half-hour to rebuild.

    Check the throttle shaft play before you do ANYTHING to these carbs. A carburetor replacement and replacing the recoil assembly (was $35-40 back in the day) was enough to warrant looking at a new mower/engine for these little vertical shaft engines. Running proper, they will put in the work. But they go downhill from neglect quick and repairing them becomes a question of what's easier and more time-efficient vs what costs less. For unit that is destined for some re-engineering anyways, I'd go for the re-power and use the Tecumseh for a wheel chock on the new splitter trailer.
     
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  20. Horkn

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    Lol, yeah, you've seen these a few times huh?

    I need to invest some knuckle time into this carb. I'll put on my safety glasses like I do most times when I work on this stuff, because carb cleaner really stings.

    Oh, amazingly, the primer bulb is not cracked, and this unit actually does have a choke on it well at least a choke position on the throttle control. Whether it really has a blade is another question.

    I'll invest in a new seat for the needle valve, and that's hopefully it. I wish it were horizontal shaft, because in order to repower it, as it is I have to stay with vertical shaft. Anything can be switched, but I want i get this running for as little $ as possible.