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A building for the mill

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  1. PA Mountain Man

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    We getting good slow rain here also. Makes the grass and clover in the pasture grow.:D
     
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    You guys that know metal see the world differently than some of us who are most comfortable constructing with wood. I’m really enjoying this thread.
     
  3. fuelrod

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    Is this what your describing? 20210529_083023.jpg
    That's fairly obvious :eek:, I tend to over think things and would prefer to limit welding outside of my shop. I'm not really set up for mobile.
    If this is as simple as a "clip" is, what are these tek screws and will they self drill? Fastenal for a source?
     
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    I only know metal like for truck bumpers or tractor type chit:D.
    Too many years in residential construction.
     
  5. PA Mountain Man

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    Commercial construction is a different world.
     
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    You're on the right track. Make clip length equal to width of top chord.
    Put clip where the vertical and diagonal members hit the top chord. Joist are designed for a continuous load on top chord and if you put a point load on it it needs to be at a panel point.
    Tek is a brand name. Fine thread self drilling #14 x 3/4" with hex head. Fastenal will have them but you can get a better price on line.
     
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    PAmt your learnin me a bunch and I appreciate your help
     
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    This is a fun project. Wishin I was closer to help.:cheers:
     
  9. fuelrod

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    Nearly 90* a few days ago when pouring Crete, today in this weather I'm feeling like a wuss and throwing in the towel. It's funny how quickly you get either spoiled or "used to" temperatures. :rofl: :lol:
    I hardly wear gloves in the winter and they've crossed my mind a few times today, heck even my dog is in agreement.
     
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    I'll measure this spacing, if this is a "hard" rule for bar joists I may need to re thing lumber sizes.
     
  11. PA Mountain Man

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    It takes me about 2 weeks get acclimated to workin in the heat. Can't take enough clothes off to stay cool.
    I go thru 2 gallon of water a day when it's hot and humid and I'm workin.
    But when I'm fishin the heat doesn't bother me as much.:smoke:
     
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    Lookin at the pic of joist you should be ok. The 2x4 is spanning 4' and at 2' on center is only carrying 4 sf of roof load. Do you know what code requires for snow load in your area? We are at 30psf and I've only measured 21psf as a worst case. Drifting can build up a huge pile on one side and cause uneven loading which can get you in trouble.
     
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    Also, don't use green oak for purlins. It will cause metal roofing to rust quickly.
     
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    No wonder I'm cold, just drove out back to measure, the truck "says" 45*:eek:
    My panels (the distance between v&diag members coming together is 48", then the distance from the last panel to the bearing point is 8'8". They are just under 26" deep. 20210529_105424.jpg 20210529_105435.jpg 20210529_105408.jpg 20210529_105416.jpg
     
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    ....and there's a slight difference in the length of the bearing surface on one end. Not sure if this is important.
     
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    Oak is too valuable up here, not like in PA. I'll be cutting Hemlock, it's our Tulip Poplar up here, but maybe a bit stronger.
    Iirc snow load up here is around 60# and without heat I (and some lifelong locals) think 3/12 will be fine and should shed the snow. The peak is oriented dead north, the direction of one weather normally.
     
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    Between the verticals
     
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    You're ok then cause the diagonals hit in between at 2'. Each place a vertical or diagonal hits the top chord is a strong point.
     
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    Not really. Important thing is to get full bearing of the joist bearing surface onto a steel plate on top of wood post. You could do a similar detail of what you did on bottom of post.