In all honesty, my wife is very frugal. We live near 3 ladies that are "couponer's". They sell soap, deodorant, shampoo, conditioner, toilet paper, paper towels,, etc for $.50 a piece. So she buys them in bulk from them. Only buys clothes when on clearance (her last pair of shoes were $2), buys all the kids clothes, birthday presents, and most Christmas presents in the off season or just after Christmas when everything is on sale. Pays most of our bills yearly. Pays $150 extra on every mortgage payment (and the extra payment every year). As of right now we are paid up till Nov 5th on our Mortgage (and stays several months ahead). I don't have a Credit card. Have not had one since I was 21. My wife has one, but that's only because we have not had a car payment since 2007. We just bought a new Traverse for her. My 03 truck was paid off in 2007 and in 2011 we bought matching Ford Focus' (cash). So she only has the Credit card to keep some revolving credit. Some things we splurge on. But you only live once. We are both blessed with good jobs, with great benefits, and great insurance. And as I said above, we are on vacation. But it's at the Cabin in Pa which is paid for. My Father in Law built it in 1990 and both of her parents have passed. So we come up once or twice a year to relax and enjoy what he poured his heart and soul into. So it only cost the money in fuel to get here and any extra things we do (we went canoeing, and mini golfing yesterday, go carts and horseback riding today, and going to the Double Diamond Deer ranch this evening).
Some very good things there Dana. First off is to understand what you really need vs what you want. Second is to realize that the cost of anything is the amount of life you have to give in order to get it. Forget dollars, how long will you have to work to pay for it? We live a mostly frugal life but have backed off a bit. Proof of that is that I have the Internet and computers. We do have a tv but it is rarely on. Again, like so many years, the last thing we watched was the Super Bowl. No need or want to turn it on since then. Correction, my wife thought she wanted to watch the Olympics but that petered out fast because of such poor coverage. Seems the actual sport takes a back seat to the other programing they do during the Olympics. Many years back we sat down and analyzed everything we were doing and where all the dollars were going. Then we analyzed all we paid for and calculated if there were a way we could either cut down on the expense or cut it out altogether. This took a lot of time and I remember spending many hours on it over a period of a month or more. Many have mentioned credit cards. We have some and we are never afraid of using them. Note, I said using them and not them using us. We make most of our purchases on credit cards then pay off the full balance every month. End result is no interest charges and only one check to write. But we go even further. We make every attempt to not carry any balances on anything we buy. Cars were mentioned and I've heard other say, "I'll always have my car (or truck) payment." Why? Isn't it funny if you ask someone how much they paid for a car, they quote the selling price. Okay, did you include sales tax? License? Transfer? Increase in insurance rate? And of course, the interest charge. Add all these things, especially the interest charge and many are shocked at the true cost of vehicles. We rarely buy used vehicles. One reason is that I hate fixing them and have had some bad luck with some in the past. We buy new and we pay for them before they leave the lot. In fact, it really irks me to see all the ads where car sellers advertise for x dollars per month for this car. I'm not buying a payment. I'm buying a car. Tell me what it cost. Believe it or not, we've walked off many lots when the sellers did not want to quote a price but wanted to talk payments. I don't need that bull. What about gas for the vehicles. I find that most folks pay very little attention to what they pay for gas and how much they buy. Our car has a computer that can tell us what our gas mileage is. Still, we do as we have always done. When we buy gas, we usually go for the lowest cost. Then we keep a record so we know what type of gas that last tank was. We also keep the mileage in the log along with what the car said we got for mpg vs what we actually got for mpg. We also keep track of what type of gas it was. We've found that certain types of gas gives us better mileage than others. We also keep our speed down to save on gas plus it is rare to make jack-rabbit starts. Imagine an egg on that accelerator and you don't want to break it. Do try to never use passing gear! The fast starts and heavy accelerator is very costly. Food can cost a lot! When we were first married, our budget was $10 per week for groceries and household items like soaps, toothpaste, etc. As happens to many married couples (and even unmarried) is that we soon had some little people in our house. Our food bill soon raised to $13 per week. Now it is amazing how much it can add up to. So, we watch closely what we buy and when we buy it. We usually buy in quantities and buy when they are on sale. One example is yogurt. I eat a lot of yoplait yogurt. It is expensive so we buy it only when it is on sale. Usually it comes on sale as 10 for $5.00. We call the store and have them order us 10-15 cases of it. Yes, it is quite an expense at the time but we throw it in our freezer and that is how I like to eat it. But we do the same with almost everything. And speaking of eating, we do not eat out or should say rarely. Naturally if we are on a trip or in town all day, then it sometimes catches us and we do eat out but none of this weekly stuff or even for birthdays, anniversaries, etc. Heating with wood has saved us a lot, yes, a lot of dollars over the years. But we also attempt to cut down on electric useage. Even the hot water. I'll make a bet we don't use much over a gallon of water to shower with. In the winter we heat a lot of water on the wood stove. Why not? It is better than paying for electric or gas to heat that water. Air conditioners. They can be costly to run. Today marks the first time this year we have the air conditioner on. I hope it is the last one too but if it gets uncomfortable, we turn it on. Yet, it is not uncommon for me to get up in the night and shut it off and open the windows. I could go on and on about this topic because it is something we have been doing for many years. Everything we do we try keep frugal in mind. It pays great dividends. But for now, I've made this post long enough.
Wow Dex... all good stuff. AND... the cabin sounds like a bonanza pictorial coming from Dex when you guys return. Have fun!
There have been times that I have had to dip into my savings just to pay normal bills such as insurance, repairs, etc., all the time working a full time job. I managed to land a better job, now I am catching up, and making sure I repay all those self "loans". Do I buy frivolous things? You betcha! But I try to keep them at a minimum, and ONLY after the bills are paid. I just spent $4000 on insulation and air sealing, and have no regrets. I am seeing a reduction in A/C usage right now, and after having another blower door test completed, I am eligable for half of that back from the power company. All in all, I am reminded of the mantra I used to repeat in the 70's as I swept the floor with a rather well-worn broom, and patched clothing, and dumpster dived-- "Use it up, wear it out; Make it do, or do without!"
Put your vampire electronic devices on a power strip and turn it off when not used. Take "sea showers" - wet briefly, soap, rinse. Save heated water. Vegetable garden. Heat with wood. Turn off lights. Sales. Improve the house insulation. Close curtains and shades on hot sunny days. Eat the rabbits that eat your bushes. Eliminate debt.
Food is one thing we spend a lot on. Most of the cheaper food at the grocery stores is loaded with sugar and chemicals such as GMO corn and soy (thank you Monsanto.) Even the vegetables and fruits sold at most supermarkets are not as healthy as they could be. A lot of them are ripened with chemicals on large trucks in warehouses rather than naturally. So we buy a lot of local, organic fuits, veggies meat and poultry. It's not cheap but for us it's something we see as money well spent. I like the occasional piece of cake or junk food as much as anyone else but I find it amazing to see the horrible things most people eat and feed their children on a daily basis. Next year we plan to start a vegetable garden and grow some of the veggies we consume most often to mitigate our food costs. You also mentioned gas. In my state of NH they just passed a 4 cent per gallon tax increase. I don't think most people realize that if they slowed down 5 - 10 mph on the highway and did this every day they'd save quite a bit of money over time.
Its 90+ pretty much every day from may-september ...not every day but most. I am not sitting in an 85 degree or warmer house thats 70+% humid. Just have to pay for it. Yea I could use more fans etc but I have a wife and young son. Or power is super expensive too . When water heater goes out I will get an instant heater to save hopefully. Our water is like $6/1000 so it takes a lot of water to amount to something...dont worry much there unless its hot and we have to water garden then it adds up. Dex did you say hundreds
Man, I love this thread. Been doing these frugal type things most of my adult life. This from Dennis is something I mention in threads on occasion too...."Second is to realize that the cost of anything is the amount of life you have to give in order to get it. Forget dollars, how long will you have to work to pay for it?" Talk about hitting the nail on the head. We pulled the carpet out of the whole house after being here 3 years, because with the dogs it became almost impossible to keep 'em clean. Had vinyl flooring put in. Wasn't super expensive (even though I hated spending the money), but we no longer need to steam clean the floors on a regular basis. Good steam cleaners aren't cheap. Sweep and mop....done. Not only are we saving money on cleanings, but now we spend a lot less time. The air in here is nicer too. I manage 21-24 MPG from a 12 year old Jeep that's rated for 19 highway, by keeping the lead foot full of helium. I don't runup to stop signs then slam on the brakes either. Last set of brakes lasted 5 years. Money saved. Turn the water off when washing hands or brushing teeth. Takes very little effort, but keeps the well pump off a bit longer and keeps the water from going right back into the ground. Why should I pump water, heat it, then let it run down the drain w/o it doing something. It's my biggest pet peeve to see someone letting the water run for 10 minutes (or longer) while washing dishes. Bought a $10 lawn mower (garage sale) 3 years ago and added a $10 blade this year.........just in time for it to stop running. Trust me, I've spent MUCH more on lawn mowers that didn't mow the grass any better.
I'll second that. Back in May when it was mother's day I was talking about what husbands do for their wives on mothers day with a coworker who's much older than I am. I asked him if he was doing anything special for his wife since their children had long since moved out and weren't around to do anything special. He said "hell no I've been doing something special for her for the last 30 years that we've been married." he explained that throughout his entire marriage he'd always been the sole breadwinner in the family. He had always worked long hours to make a decent living so that his wife and kids would have a nice life. His wife, although taking care of the kids, never had to work. She was never tied to a job she hated out of necessity. So his gift to her was the ability for her to do whatever she wanted with her own time. That crystallized it for me. For all of us, the most precious commodity or resource in life is time. It's the only thing we cannot obtain or create more of. Personally I've tried to maximize my income while minimizing the hours required of me on the job. The greatest thing money can buy IMO is peace of mind. Having enough money to cover the basics and a little rainy day fund so you're not losing sleep at night. This mentality, which also includes learning to derive happiness from personal relationships and experiences rather than material possessions, is how I've sought to live and a lifestyle that I will endeavor to impress upon my children.
Really?? Did they have a maid? My husband's day was 8 hours--mine was 24. Sorry, you know I had to open my trap!
Dave I think I have got 5 years out of mst of my brakes! And you probably would think I drive like a jackrabbit at times. I think those that drive in towns or cities more eat brakes like candy!
It's OK. I get your point. I'm a father of two young kids and I know the parenting and housework never ends. However I think most people would feel less resentment toward taking care of their home and kids than they would for a job they hate or feel trapped in. Also as the kids get older you get more time to yourself. The woman in my story has pretty much all day every day to do whatever she wants with her time while the husband is closing in on 60 and still working.
My work trucks sometimes dont make it as long but I drive it harder than my own but also a lot of it I think is due to the riding through deep mud puddles and sand, I think the added grit that no ones truck sees daily adds to them wearing down faster. Some background for those who dont know what I do. I am a forester and drive many mines off road. Many in deep beach sand like ground and lots in deep red mud and puddles when wet. Many times the water is up to the lugs so the brakes are getting immersed. Well not the caliper but the rotor is picking up all that debris.