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Tesla?

Discussion in 'Everything Else (off topic)' started by Wouldsplitter, Jan 22, 2021.

  1. DaveGunter

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    Asteroid mining...the race is already on.

    Stay away from 3:16 mining...could you imagine Todd Hoffman on a rocket:D:wacky:
     
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  2. In the Pines

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    I'll catch flak for this, but coal rollers pizz me off more than any self rightous tesla owner.
    It isn't funny unless you're a sophmoron HS boy.
    PS Elon himself said his stock is way overvalued. Innovators pizz ppl off, they rub people the wrong way, they make promises they don't always deliver on.
    But I have nothing against someone going against the grain and getting it done.
    Everyone wants to see this guy fail, no more than the petrol/car industry.
    But he got their attention and now you have automakers getting serious over it and not that joke of the leaf or prius..
    Good for him! I'll never afford one so I'll keep pushing my 5mpg f250 down the road and no I won't be rolling coal...
     
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    I do not but it may be worth looking into
     
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    I like fossil fuels. Organic and proven! I can even work on them!:salute:
     
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    My county employee parking garage has several recharging stations, that are powered by solar cells. The Commissioner found it pretty hypocritical to be recharging on coal powered electricity.

    Tesla so not time on design which helped a great deal. My issue with battery cars had been , why do they look so stupid? There is no reason for it.
    I have looked into the battery motorcycles but the Zero is too costly. It would be neat to ride in silence alone on country roads. The range makes it a challenge too.
     
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    Not to mention the mining of cobalt, which is used in the production of lithium batteries.

     
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    This wouldn't last long before certain people would be crying about how wildlife was getting creamed because they couldn't hear the EV vehicle coming. Something else to consider is that the taxes will never go down on battery cars. They won't let go of that tax money.
     
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    My Audi allroad had the air suspension. It's cool until something messes up, and it's usually the air shock itself. They have a lot of rubber that seals the air in. When, not if, those rubber part fail, you have zero suspension on that corner. At that point, your have to replace them in pairs, $$.
     
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    I have millions of miles driving big rigs with air bags. They are spendy to fix, and do need fixed. Give me a walking beam suspension anytime. I won't melt if I have to deal with a little more jarring. Years ago I picked up a friend that just had been clipped. I was in a 76' kenworth that didn't have air bags. He(?) turned green and was holding his groin within 20 miles of dirt road. Wife had to pick him up at the highway. That is the only time I wish I had air ride.:thumbs:
     
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    Well, the Honda Civic is about $8k more than I paid for my Focus as a new car. MPG is very similar at 38-42 and at max the Civic get 2mpg more on average, it would take forever and a day to make up the difference in price. I know some of the older Civics got better mileage though. Holy cow, looking at local prices at about the same mileage, a used 2018 Civic is still $1,500-$4,500 more than my car was brand new and those don't have heated seats and heated steering wheels. None of the ones I looked at have navigation, which my car doesn't either, so I feel like that is probably an apples to apples comparison.

    The Corolla, I can't even make a good comparison because they run forever, as long as you can keep a body on them (I'm not saying they rust any worse than any other vehicle). They don't go on the market very often and I can only find one in my area that has 55k miles and is being sold for just below what I paid for my car, but it looks like the prices drop drastically once they hit over 50k miles.
     
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    If your looking for a electric powered bike, i believe they make some pretty fast one's in Southern oregon. Seems like a saw a youtube vid on this subject not that long ago.
     
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    Throw the adjustable ride height into the equation, with extra sensors and solenoids and crazy $$ valve blocks. More stuff to fail. The air ride seat is a great idea on big rigs. I'm sure that have been slime or duct tape fixes on the air ride seats when necessary:whistle::rofl: :lol:
     
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    Not looking for one, just saying if the time comes, I wouldn't be opposed to a change in technology.
     
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    Can you post a link to that story?
     
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    How far do you live from the grocery store? The model 3 is rated to go 260 miles to a charge. So if you have to stop twice to charge that would mean you live 390 miles one way from a grocery story. Must be really peaceful where you are.
     
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    It has been serveral months since I've read it. I'm sure it is out there to be found. Someone else mentioned there are several stories of this happening,
     
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    From an affordable store it is 230 round trip, and that includes going over Mcdonald pass both ways. Plus I buy man stuff, like lumber, feed, ect ect. My 2004 dodge ram has the 24 valve 5.9 cummins. I get 22mpg on the highway. I can haul my whole family, and pick up 800 bucks in food, plus other materials with it. A Mr. Bean car wouldn't be a wise investment for me. If I was a young kid, I would dork out on this new technology probably.
     
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    :rofl: :lol: thats awesome!!
     
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  20. Wouldsplitter

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    Ya I was just comparing the cars given, I wanted to compare the cost of a gas burning car to an electric car. Most ppl think electric is more expensive but in the long run EVs are cheaper in most cases. A comparison from a Chevy Spark vs a Chevy Bolt would not be a fair comparison, because neither of them were an option for Bogieb. He was/is driving an Explorer and said he couldn't afford a Tesla. An Explorer vs Tesla is a legitimate comparison in that case.

    Well I'm not familiar with insurance in your state. However A Model 3 with full coverage in Illinois costs $393 for 6 months, with $1000 deductable. Tesla's are actually one of the safest cars on the road. They come with warnings and will correct the car if you start drifting out of your lane. Also with the batteries mounted so low they are very hard to tip over and handle very well in corners. Since they are so safe I would think the insurance would be cheaper. A quick search and I found that EV's are actually cheaper to insure. So perhaps you got a high quote from a particular insurance agency? I would get a few more quotes personally. https://electrade.app/blog/are-electric-cars-more-expensive-to-insure-in-2019

    As far as charging goes, you can buy an adapter $35. Gen 2 NEMA Adapters
    You are correct on the 80-90% efficiency though I was not aware of that. Thank you for bringing that to my attention. You are also correct that the PV and EV have a longevity factor. So really it all comes down to when the cost balances out for each individual person. If it would take 30 years to equal out the cost, that wouldn't really be economical. However if it takes 3-7 years to equal out the cost and the PV array and EV last more than 7 years, you would be money ahead going EV and PV.
     
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