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Discussion in 'Modern EPA Stoves and Fireplaces' started by Steve, Oct 24, 2013.

  1. Steve

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    When I first got my Jotul 602 last year, the burn in smoked us out for the first month; my wife is especially sensitive to toxic odours. I've since learned to do the initial burn ins outdoors, so when I re-painted the stove this summer, I did just that. The problem is, is that on a bright, hot summers day, it's heard to tell how hot the stove is getting.

    Judge for yourselves in the next two pics whether the stove got too hot:

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    Don't know any thing about stoves but love your hearth!

    Gary
     
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    Thanks Gary. It needs a good clean in a bad way, but it works. It's Belden brick, the Ohio valley's finest.
     
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    Steve it looks over fired ! I have a Jotul f50 with the same paint as far as I know. It isn't white that's usually a sign of over fire. You need to contact your dealer and see where the temp gauges need to be at on your stove. I put the gauges where Jotul recommends for our stove and since then it runs fantastic. Have you had it inspected or looked for cracks ?
    Also I wouldn't run an EPA stove without a condor flue prob at all in fact it is a cake walk to run with the flue prob.
     

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    Check your gaskets too Steve it's around the door so the gaskets may be burned up too. From the back of the top by the chimney you may have a small leak as well judging by the rust.
     
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    Thx PP. I just replaced the door and glass gaskets a week ago. Do you mean an air leak, or a drip from the ceiling? I'm also following your enamel paint thread for good advice. I painted it with three good coats of matte black high temp paint from a big box store. It turned out good, but I don't like the smell that's still coming off the stove even though I burned it in for five hours in July. Plus it didn't last too well.
     
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    It looks like a small drip from the ceiling on the back. Did you buy it used Steve ?
     
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    No, brand new. But that stain is persistent.
     
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    That sound like a leak then you may need to get a hose out or wait for a good rain and watch for a slow drip. In the past ill set the hose on it and go look usually with hose pressure it's pretty obvious.
     
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    I'm not sure that it is a leak. I did have roof leak problems in the past (it's a flat roof sunroom) but I went overboard sealing up the deck. But you never know... I'll to the paper towel test trick when the stove is cold and it's been raining all day. Looking at the forecast, I won't have to wait too long.
     
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    Ok, I've over-fired the stove. So now what? Are there limitations? Is the stoves life expectancy shortened? Anything I should watch for?
    BTW Pete, I'll be installing temp gauges when I get a chance to get to the smoke shop. Thx for the heads up on that.
     
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    I would highly recommend having a professional chimney sweep come check it out ! These stoves are very durable but just to be safe. If it did even hair line crack or small warp it could have really damaged it. Cracks can usually be cemented on cast iron but warping my not be fixable. If you can't control it ( need the temp gauge to know ) then it's letting air in somewhere.
     
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    Seeing as it's only a Jotul 602 (<150- lbs on the dolly, fits through the door NP), I'll just take it in to the dealer for a look-see. Might have the gauges installed at the same time.
     
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    Make sure you look inside your pipe when you do and see if its cracked as well. I highly doubt it is but anything is possible.
     
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    Some cheap stove paints turn white when fired. Had it happen to me.
     
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    It looks like your stove pipe is on the outside of the collar coming out of the stove, ours fits inside the collar, we have the Lopi Liberty.
     
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    I didn't even pay attention to that ! Steve do you have 8" pipe on a 6" reducer ? How tall is the chimney ? I ask because that may be part of the issue if there is one. That's a potentially a ton of draft for the little stove.
     
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    I am wondering exactly what paint you used and was it 500, 1200 or 2000 degree paint ?
    It does look like you have a leak ,it only takes a small gap, time to get up on the roof.
     
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    The stove shop (Mason Place, Keswick, Ontario) is a highly reputable Christian outfit. They convinced me to by the better grade double wall pipe and I'm glad I did. But I'll check it just the same. Better safe than sorry.
    Only today did the burning paint smell begin to subside. And that's after a five hour burn-in in the hot summer sun and another 15 hours of burning since. Big box store stove paint.

    I'm pretty sure mine is done correctly; it wouldn't fit any other way! Unless I got the wrong parts.

    It's a 5" into a 6" pipe. TONS of draft just the same. 25' nearly vertical, except for a very small offset midway up. It almost always runs like a charm, start ups are pretty smooth.

    If you look at the following pic, you can see that the exterior pipe connection and the trim bezel on the ceiling cover over the stove by a wide margin, and there's no water stains on either, so I'm pretty sure it isn't a leak. Like I said previously though, I'm going to do a paper towel drip test when the stove cools down.

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