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Elementary School Concerns/Issues

Discussion in 'Everything Else (off topic)' started by wildwest, Apr 22, 2019.

  1. Marshel54

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    The big problem is retaliation upon the child. I would do what many others have suggested. If you can get the other parents aboard, approach the board.
    I remember in college. In a Laplace transform class, everyone except 2 students received a midterm deficiency notice. Most of us were 3.o+ gpa students (me included). A couple of us went to the Dean about the teacher and presented our case. The next class the teacher said, "I guess you are not getting this." "No chit. What gave you that idea?" He backed up and basically started over and put the grades on a curve. Next quarter he was not teaching the class.
    If it is 1 or 2 students that are having a problems it is most likely not the teacher. If the majority of the students are having a problem, it is the teacher.
    It is a shame that they take it out on the students for their own inadequacies.

    Fire away Grammar cop! You must have recieved a very fine edyoumankateshun. I always struggled with English and Grammar.
     
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  2. Eric VW

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    Especially when calling out Black Locust....
    :whistle:

    :rofl: :lol:
     
  3. Will C

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    I would recommend involving the Principal, having a meeting with both Principal and teacher. You have communication with the teacher, now get the Principal involved. As a small Principal myself, you are responsible for many things. Sometimes you may not be aware of some classroom issues. Make them aware.
     
  4. yooperdave

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    Yup on the principal. More so for you and your child than for consideration of the teacher.
     
  5. JWinIndiana

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    Oh man the frustrations of raising children. I honestly believe I became a better teacher after dealing with all the headaches of my daughters going through school. My oldest daughter as an 8th grader flunked off of the swim team due to an F in Science. I wanted to know what kind of an F she got, 59% or 5%. Get in the meeting and the teacher starts off with how willing and polite and ready at the beginning of class she was, how he would like to have a room full of students like her. Get to the grade, 59.5%! Now I tell my students I accurately record what they earn. I don't "give" them a grade. But when someone is close to failing and is working hard, I do give them the benefit of the doubt.

    I looked at her and said, "see how the real world is?". Principal let her go to the hall and looked at the teacher in disbelief. She said, "we will review this grade", and I told her, nope, wanted to know, now I do. All is good. She learned a hard lesson but in hindsight, it caused her to not cut deadlines and such close. This teacher did hold it against her even though I refused to have the grade changed. He and I eventually had a personal meeting to "discuss" his behavior towards her and others. He retired at the end of that year.

    True homeschooling parents, I personally couldn't do it. I love teaching, but would not be a good teacher for them one on one. I enjoyed my girls and their 4H projects and our farm projects but helping with homework was a chore.

    Pick a day and a time for a lesson. If your child is an early bird, get it done so the rest of the summer day is theirs. Don't make it a negative. A lot of math is involved in cooking. Writing a complete explanation of the cooking experience is a great way to learn correct writing skills. We had 10 cows and each day coming up the driveway the girls would tell me the chance of rain depending on the number of cows laying down.

    Feel free to PM me, I am full of ideas, enjoy challenges. Really dislike teachers of this style. He is not responsible to have her book daily for her with no repercussions, yet she forgets or leaves it at home one day and she loses recess. Really??!! This is a ticklish situation that will require all of your tact. Remember, your child is watching and learning from this. Not only do you influence this situation, you are influencing how she will handle a similar situation in her life. So deal with it in the manner you would expect of her.

    Good luck and said a prayer for you.
     
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  6. JWinIndiana

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    Will, being a complete arse here, "what happens if her Principal is a large one?????".:whistle:
     
  7. Will C

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    Just noticed that!! I'm actually a Principal in a SMALL school!! I'm 5'10" 200lbs not huge, but not small!
     
  8. savemoney

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    So glad to be so far away from those struggles. I do remember a high school math teacher who got so frustrated with her class of sophomores that she told us than none of us would ever go to college. She abandoned the class. Another teacher took over. Most of us did indeed go on to higher education. That was back in 1963. The teacher remained on the staff.
     
  9. wildwest

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    The meeting went GREAT!!
    Majority of the above items addressed during this upbeat meeting, it went almost an hour like last time.

    Math book #2 is coming home for the summer. All of us know what 32-20 is, but this math wants a number line, loops and swoops and arrows and unicorn poops documented. He spent a good chunk of time giving me Cliff Notes on "new math" terms, ie the "jump back", "count on" and "land on" etc. (yes, all arithmatic LOL) so I know which color unicorn poop is being asked for. Her completed math book #1 is also home so I can get a better grip those terms. He was not aware of online resources for me but I can google/youtube them if needed since I have the lingo now. fishingpol .

    During open math groups her group (one other student) will sit at same table as teacher, he said they did that yesterday and she was very productive.

    Language/reading teacher is putting together a take home summer reading package for her. Her scores have improved over the last few months(since last meeting), so we're doing something right, now I have the appropriate books continue it over the summer.

    Did I mention sometimes she protests on language homework, that only her teacher is allowed to double check her work? She tells that teacher that only Momma can double check her work. Clever little stinker! We're on the same page now little lady, go look it up in your dictionary is the common answer between home and school now. ;)

    Oh, I finally met the Principle in person, she has 3 small schools.

    I'm pleased, think we set the right tone and some changes in motion since she'll have him again for 3rd grade next year. I'll do what I can on the home side, but they know I have expectations from them too. (I used the phrase "entering 3rd grade with one arm tied behind her back).
     
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  10. JWinIndiana

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    For me, email is my friend with the parents and contacts. Also it is great documentation for both parties. It is a great checks and balances system for the parents and teachers of students.
     
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    Great news! Good job letting them know you are concerned and involved parents!
     
  12. Chazsbetterhalf

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    Glad it went well. Dod you record the meeting?
     
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    I have the co-teachers email too as of yesterday. Current teacher and I have stayed on the same email conversation this year, great advice to continue that and use it more often JW

    Thank you, all of that practical tangible advice I can put to work directly! Another is her study space, at one point she was using a fold up tv tray that fit well with her little chair, no toys, less distraction, that one is since been stored, I'll get it back out. The kitchen island counter that is our dining table is full of distracting fun. She read the directions for Easter egg dye last weekend, tripped up on "achieve" and " consistency", but also is confusing new math "doubles +/- 1/2" =plus 1 or minus 2 instead of 1/2cup or 1/2tsp. We'll get there :)


    Hi, I did not, and also relieved it was not needed. Praying our plans actually stay in place for her next grade next year with the same teacher. If they don't, I can do it then.

    Still pleased about it. Guess what else? He opened a window and a couple Meadow Larks were talking. Cool.
     
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    Missed this thread, you did right thing wildwest ... Most teachers want to see kids succeed. You obviously know your daughter better than teacher. Once you and the teacher on the same page, it will get easier.
    2 things to be careful of

    1) your daughter is a social butterfly, she does not go to school to learn, she goes to school for her friends and social time.. this is typical with an only child. And will get worse, as she gets older.

    2) playing the parents against the teacher. This is something that will require more parent-teacher conferences in the future.

    My daughters 14 had a bad experience in second grade math and still does not like it..
    Keep up the good work!
     
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    :confused::rofl: :lol::picard: After getting things on track, the math book that was coming home for the summer is lost, what can you do but shrug shoulders and laugh. Every day this week (last week of school) the kids came home with plastic grocery bags of different personal items from school to back back home. Yesterday (last day), she had a bag with her science journal, some desk items and her math book. Bag is MIA. Not here, not in our vehicles, not at school, not on the bus. Hooray, her teacher had an extra copy of the previous years math book, different order but same content, and he let us have it for free :yes:

    Her year end report card seems accurate (not middle of the line in all subjects). They use a different index for grades but using a,b,c, d, f, for us here. She scored a couple A's, many B's/C's, and one D. Would you believe report cards are now a hybrid between teacher input with a computer based testing? Guess it's not that different than blacking out circles with a #2 pencil lol.

    And Canadian border VT , you tell it like it is, thank you, I need to keep tabs on both. At this point in time it seems the "social butterfly issue" seems to be the bigger of the two. It was so darn cute when she was little, but school setting to learn requires differently, and the stiuation is so loose compared to what I (likely you too) grew up in. Thanks friend. Oh, and her confidence/attitude in math is better, closer to before since the math book started coming home on weekends, she actually moved up to the next math partner group working on that content.

    I bought the refurb computer package online, it works great for $98.oo! WWW pulled out my old corner desk from the pole barn, weather ruined the fake veneer since it's been out there after we moved here, peeling off but she is still thrilled to have her very own workspace and computer. For protection I tried chrome "family link", but it's smart phone based and I lack there. I went to default Microsoft edge (think its the new MSExplorer) that let me set it to "child". She wanted to google a picture of the universe after a segment in school on Neil Armstrong and the moon and misspelled the word universe in an unfortunate way, nothing dirty appeared, glad for the child settings. I need to experiment with times of the day JWinIndiana , she's almost in summer school here, math and reading (then assignments on reading comprehension both fiction and informational).
     
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    Oh wildwest I forgot about a trick I've learned along the way. My daughter the social butterfly, is also a mother hen. So if you can help her and get it so she understands the material before her classmates.
    She may be like my daughter and then run around and help her classmates understand the work.
    Great way to build confidence because she feels like she's smart and in control and helping:yes:
     
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    Nice update to share, parent teacher conference last week, I'm still fighting a cold so WWW went for me. Her teacher said "I'm not sure what you did this summer but it shows and she's doing great"
     
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    Excellent.
     
  19. Chazsbetterhalf

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    Glad to hear that. Seen the title and it was like, oh I wonder how the kiddo is doing.
     
  20. JWinIndiana

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    Evidently you didn't sit on your laurels. Something was done, something was learned, something is being noticed! Good on all involved! :yes:
     
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