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  1. Backwoods Savage

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    SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- California moved a step closer Wednesday to creating sites where people could legally use drugs under supervision designed to save them from dying if they overdose, over the objections of opponents who said the state would be enabling dangerous and illegal activity.

    The full Assembly will now consider allowing test programs in Los Angeles, Oakland and San Francisco, more than a year after the proposal narrowly passed the state Senate.

    “We know that we are experiencing a crisis of overdose deaths, and these are preventable," said Democratic Sen. Scott Wiener. “This is one way to help keep people safe and to actually help people get into treatment.”



    Yes, that is one way to keep people safe when they are using an illegal substance... This seems to be the trend. Make illegal things legal and the problem disappears.

    Please don't turn this thread into something that we will have to close.
     
  2. MikeInMa

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    The Boston area has had these "safe" places for a while now.

    I can't wrap my brain around the concept.
     
  3. Woodwidow

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    Our province is doing the same thing. In the cities, I think it has cut down on the overdose deaths but not by much.
     
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    “This is one way to help keep people safe and to actually help people get into treatment.”
    It might prevent an opioid overdose death if the user has expedient access to Narcan at said location, this is true. But in my opinion it does nothing to steer people towards seeking treatment for the monkey on their back. If anything it enables them to continue in their addiction. They now have a "safe place" to get high with other addicts, to grow their drug connections network further, while doing nothing to sever the ties with using in the first place. It further entrenches people into the lifestyle that comes along with drug culture. I know this policy has been picking up steam in Europe for years, but I'm not 100% sold on it. Of course there's the very reasonable argument too that the War On Drugs broadly has been a massive failure. We can't seem to keep the stuff from making it into the country, or being produced and trafficked here. Individual mules/dealers are caught, sentenced sometimes, released with a slap on the wrist other times. Someone else is always there to move product. It never stops. The users themselves either eventually hit bottom and pick themselves up from their bootstraps to become functional members of society again, or end up permanently institutionalized, or in a casket. Such is the blunt reality. This is one of those social experiments that'll take years to play out, to see if the results worked as intended.
     
  5. tree killer

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    Tons of taxpayer dollars to fund a program to keep addicts being addicts. This one will fund addicts to continue their habits! Let them OD, cruel as it is it’s the truth. If they didn’t want to be a druggie they wouldn’t be and very few of them ever quit and not go back. They are not my problem!
     
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    They tried this down in S.Philly, people went bonkers and I believe it got shut down.
     
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    I'm not a fan of some of these programs either, but not all addicts choose to be addicts. People get addicted to meds intended to solve medical problems far too often.
     
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  10. tree killer

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    I agree that happens, it happened to my FIL after being in the hospital for 3 months after an abdominal aortic rupture where he died 7 times that day. They kept pumping and pumping him with drugs. I’ve also been on that stuff and had it just pumped into me. 14 dilaudid and 3 fentanyl in the span of About 5 hours. I have been on oxy several times after a few surgeries but never really took much. I don’t like what it does and I can’t see how anyone would. I was in he hospital 8 days sharing a room with #8, just plain a junkie. Every time the nurse came and asked his pain it was 8. He had a bone infection. I heard his whole story how he wants to get clean, how he wanted methodone, he had an IV in his carotid artery and wanted to go home with it there to make shooting up easier. All he wanted was a fix. You can’t help those that won’t help themselves.
     
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    Yeah spending taxpayers money on that is BS. They won't do it to get help. It should be a law, if a person gets narcan, they get put into a program, mandatory.

    If they'd do their drugs and keep it to themselves, that'd be one thing. But they get innocent people involved and hooked. And they commit crimes to fund the habit.
    We've got a problem with drugs and crime in our local area. There's quite a ring going on around here. A couple trucks stolen lately, one of the perps was supposed to be in jail wirh a 12 month sentence for another offense when he took the truck, but he didn't serve any time. Another boy stole a teuck, shot at ploce the day later in a chase. Supposedly charges of shooting at cop were dropped, rumor is he switched and they lessened. He should be swinging.

    We've had a meeting with the sheriff, now we're gonna try to set up one with the commonwealth attorney to ask her what is she doing. I expect a dog and pony show. I think there's only one way this kind of thing gets solved. And it ain't a legal and supervised drug using site ....
     
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    Was it you or another EMT that said they never had enough Narcan on hand for all the overdoses (a couple years ago)?
     
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    If they get the narcan they deserve a big tattoo on the forehead. One and done, if you don’t learn the first time there won’t be chance #3.
     
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    Wasn't me. I'm not an EMT, but work with a bunch. I know several of the hooligans around here have been given narcan. Then do a patient refusal, and cops don't tote them off either.... They should make narcan a "smart" drug...where it'll only work on a person one time...maybe twice...
     
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    Oh sorry, might have been fox9988.
    But message received!
     
  17. Eckie

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    Maybe. Or Cash?
     
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    Not sure, but Cash was not a member then IIRC. Either way someone here that was an EMT said they run out of Narcan allotments some days. Sad and Bad.
     
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    Wasn't me.
    Per Fire Department rules, no further comment :hair::headbang:
     
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