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Flyback diodes...... I need some schooling please.

Discussion in 'The DIY Room' started by Screwloose, Dec 31, 2019.

  1. Screwloose

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    I'm thinking of adding a diode to my yet to be installed grapple control circuit but electronics are confusing to me. The micro switch in my control has a rating of 5 amp's but the cycle life curve falls dramatically after 1/4 - 1/2 amp. As my solenoid is 3 amp's I'm going to use a relay but I'm thinking that I should still use a diode on the relay to protect the switch from the relay. The Hirschmann connector already appears to have a diode in it to protect the relay.
    Clear as mud.
    Is this a good idea? And if so what do I get ?
    Thanks in advance for your help
     
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    Hmm. There's already a diode in the connector? If you add another, won't it really not do anything that the diode that is already there do?
     
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    I was under the impression that each coil needed its own.
     
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    I'm scratching my head because I'm good enough to hurt myself. But my understanding of relays is they take the power and protect the switch.
    I say this with the example of ford headlight switches melting down/circuit breaker tripping because they can't take the load on them over time.
    So most people will install a relay and this stops all that. But yea I have no idea without seeing and being hands on.
    :popcorn:
     
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  5. Horkn

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    That's where I'm at.

    Granted, I've been drinking since 5 pm or so.
     
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    In that case the relay is used to shield the headlight switch from the high current. But headlights are a resistive load. In my case the load is inductive so when the power is cut the magnetic field collapses and causes a voltage spike (flyback) that erodes the switch contacts. Think of how a ignition coil works. The diode acts like a check valve stopping the reverse current from reaching the switch.
     
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    some relays and solenoids have a diode built into the coil winding, but are not always accessible to replace by themselves. Others with a matching base have them installed, molded in, in the base. high voltage but almost zero amp they can be very small, almost like a small lump in a wire coating. on the other hand one for 50 amps can look like a nut and bolt arrangement plus 1 terminal.
     
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    Thanks Chris.
    I have some Omron ice cube relay bases with it built in and I could take one out if I had to. I'm definitely not using a industrial style relay base on the tractor. I have a bunch of new water resistant relays with bases that have one spdt contact that are perfect except they have no diode. I'm trying to figure out what diode I need so I can pop open the relay and solder it directly in. Just like oem. I'll buy a package of them as I'd like to do the others also.
    Just figured there would be a chart or something. I do have some for repairs on welder rectifiers a bit too much though.
     
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    A good rule of thumb is to have a reverse diode with a rating of 3X both the amperage or the voltage. Bigger will not make a difference either.
     
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    Thank you very much!! This is a big help as I had no idea what to even look for.
     
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