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Weight testing oak

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  1. huskihl

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    I'd measure it at the hitch. With coil overs, it may be stiffer, idk. That load should squat the Sub pretty good. Then lift it back up with the load levellers
     
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  2. Heat550

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    Suburban with trailer weight only before weight distribution hitch hooked up. [​IMG]

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  3. Heat550

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    Here's where it sat after hooking up weight distribution when the trailer was empty. Only about 1-2 inch lift to straighten rig out. Empty it pulled like a dream lol. Trailer empty was 4080 lbs .[​IMG]

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    Yep, it definitely looks tail heavy.
     
  5. Heat550

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    Ok then I will fix that ..Now how's a good way to put 3 on there without stacking them ?

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    Two in the front and center the rear one.
     
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    More tongue weight needed!
    Unless your using Mastercraft M&S tires on the tow vehicle, then get rid of the tires.
     
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    That video is awesome!!
    I've never seen such a simple display that explains tongue wait any better! :yes:
     
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    :thumbs::thumbs:

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    Are those rear bundles hanging over the back of the trailer a few inches?
    In your pic it looks like you had the 2 bundles in the back about three feet from the front bundles. Close up that gap so that your load is centered over the front axle and your tongue weight should be good.
    Also, air the tires to the max!! I'm guessing those tires are D rated. You should definitely have E rated tires for that load.
    How much do those bundles weigh?

    (I think it's safe to say that both the trailer and suburban were overloaded?)
     
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  11. Heat550

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    2000-2200 lbs a piece even a Diesel would say ok I got something back there. Thanks for the tips . Trailer 4080 lbs and tires were all in 2830 lb rated .
    12,080 lb
    This is everything to it's max. Right down to stainless steel tire stems .



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    Big Dog stuff . I'm not hauling that many again but in a pinch Chevy is ready . [​IMG]

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  13. basod

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    That's pushing the envelope of ending up in a ditch or worse
    Those bundles are at a minimum 800lbs max 1300 - with 4 on a trailer deadweight 4k you may need to pat yourself on the back for making it home and start budgeting for a tranny/rearend overhaul

    Getting firewood isn't worth losing your life;)
     
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  14. Heat550

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    There 2000 lbs oak each bundle heavy trailer at 4080 lbs
    Chevy suburban was locked on to12,000 lbs
    5.3 is now carbon free tranny's still hooking up tight.

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  15. Heat550

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    Here's my fix has anyone used these ?[​IMG]

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    IMHO, it is hard to tell whether or not that load is balanced without a picture straight on from a position between the axles. I would personally try to load the trailer with the mid point of the empty space between the bundles centered over the front axle. If that mid point is between the axles you are relying solely on the position of the axles on the trailer to determine your tongue weight. If the axles are mounted slightly aft, and the load was centered over the mid point between the axles, you could end up with only 2-300 lbs of tongue weight. I’m under the impression that tongue weight should be about 10% of total trailer weight. (As lukem and Fifelaker mentioned) So if you’re towing 12000lbs your tongue weight should be about 1200 lbs which is far too much for a 1/2 ton suburban without a load distribution hitch. Maybe just a little over the limit with one.. I think two bundles on the front and one on the back will give you way too much tongue weight. I bought a tongue weight scale a few years ago that I’ve used when loading my 10k trailer. Works great for distributing a load if just tossing logs in a little at a time. Wouldn’t work so well in your situation as it requires the trailer to be disconnected from the tow vehicle to work correctly. Here’s a pic of the one I have..

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    Quite a load!


    Anyone else ever had the front end 3' off the ground at 65mph? That'll pull the seat cushion right up into you azz crack when you clench! Mental note made that night to never tow a coach bus from the back with that truck ever again.
     
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    Another idea if I shift load forward so center of bundles are over front axel to increase tongue weight. Then put one oak front on right side 2000 lbs and softwood left front 1000 lbs . Then one oak 2000 lbs on left back and soft wood 1000 lbs on back right . Would them being crossed like that work would it balance ok ? It lighten load by 2000 lbs . Yes I have 12,000lb weight distribution hitch.
    And yes it's only got 350 lbs tongue weight when it's empty.


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    I would avoid loading the trailer unevenly from side to side. Loading the trailer as decribed would at the very least produce a torque on the trailer overall. While it may not push a limit on the trailer, a scenario that requires heavy braking or involves hitting a pothole could significantly change the forces that the trailer is subject to. You don’t want the trailer to flex to a position that it fails to bounce back from 100%. Instead, i think I would just stack two bundles over the front axle and then put a third bundle on top of that. 6000 lbs total. Correct tongue weight and not overloaded. You would have ensure you secure the load from front to back to avoid a load shift in a max braking scenario. If you crashed without securing the top bundle properly, it could fly forward and kill you. Your tongue weight scale could very well allow you to do two bundles in the front and one in the back without overloading the trailer. The bundles would just need to be loaded further aft on the trailer. Some trailer measurements would allow us to do some rough calculations to figure out where to load the bundles.

    Distance between axles:
    Distance from hitch ball to mid point between axles:
    Length of the bundles:
    between that and the numbers already provided, we can come up with a plan.
     
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    Also with an unbalanced load, weak welds can give way. Something you might not notice if you always balance the loads...
     
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