Out with the old in with the new.

Haven't heard of PE being especially outstanding where customer service is concerned. Interested, keep us posted.

 

Old Spark, Yes these stoves are heating machines. Definitely not for small spaces. My basement family room is 27 x 27 and its really heats it up.
But if you think about it if you live up in Canada where these stoves are made, your gonna need a stove that can heat with such a cold climate. My Upstairs
stays 3 or 4 degrees warmer easily. Everyone focus's on the stoves emissions ratings and efficiency ratings. Efficiency ratings are usually measurements of stack efficiency rather than a measurement of how well the heat radiates from the stove.

I also have figured out this stove isnt as picky on really dry wood. I think it still needs to be around 20% but some stoves seems to be a little more finicky.

 

I don't know anything about the problems you had but
Congratulations on this one, hope it works well for you

 

well, one would have to assume its not a fuel issue as im sure oldspark is running the same wood he was with the PE product.

i gotta tell ya , i kinda joined in to his search for what was wrong with the Summit kinda late in the game, im happy that he's found the drolet is performing as it should be but that brings me back to the Pe unit. i'd really love to know why there is such a difference in the two units. has to be somthing causing this with the PE, if both stoves are performing as they should be then there really shouldnt be such a disparity in them.

(or the short version) somthing aint right with that summit he has been burning.

 

Yep been saying that for about 4 years but was brushed off, been burning wood for over 30 years so I know when something is not right.
The Summit had high flue temps and low stove top temps but the burns were about normal in length.
If it would have been a wood problem both stove top and flue temps would have been low.
Damper did not work because it lowered flue temps and stove temp.
Leaky door would have lead to high stove top and flue temp plus short burn times.
I had secondary's that seemed to be more then what some report starting at about 300 stove top with the flames wrapping around the front part of the baffle.
Your comment about lacking heat transfer made a lot of sense, stove was just passing the heat to the flue.
Now why is it doing that, I will add a few PE owners have reported the same thing.

 

the "stove guy" in me is dying to know the underlying cause. sounds like the stove did fire off secondaries as one would expect but (and this is a big but) then we have to assume something in the exhaust pathway is being bypassed allowing direct heat dumping into the flue bypassing the air diverters which should direct this flow completely across the top from front to flue opening. almost sounds like a missing or misplaced componenet probably from the outset. i just do not know enough about this stove specifically to know where to direct someone to look

 

The diverter (or what ever PE calls it) is in there and from pictures and diagrams everything is installed correctly.
The stove burnt that way from day one and never changed its habits and that was with a chimney change also.
The "stove guy" in me wants to know what's wrong also plus the guy who spent a lot of money on it.

 

im with ya bro, was just making a 'for instance" i honestly do not know what the deal is with your summit, but i like you would love to know what eventually proves to be the reason behind the situation

 

Spent about 40 minutes on the phone with the dealer yesterday, went about how I expected with them wanting to know why I did not call sooner.
I had a block chimney with a 7 and 1/4 liner and 2 90's for the first year and a half so they would have blamed that (understandably).
For you people familiar with my escapades with this stove and read my posts on H know I was told I did not know how to run a stove and there was nothing wrong with the stove and need to learn how to run a EPA stove.
I now have several regrets and one of them is not calling sooner especially after I installed the new 6 inch straight up chimney.
I want the stove fixed so I can feel comfortable trying to sell it.
Why do I have a feeling that I now have a expensive flower planter?

 

Is the dealer doing anything for you?

 

Well I think they might try but I have no high hopes, I told them I wanted to talk to a tech from PE (guy that knows these stoves in and out) but they said PE does not like to do that.

 

by my calculations a 7.25" square tile liner meet cross sectional requirements for a 6 inch flued device. i get 52.5625 sq inches. the chimney should not have had anything to do with it if it met 10-3-2 and had enough actual height say 15 ft from the floor of the stove to the top or greater.

just sayin bro, im curious as hello about this one myself

 

I know that and you know that but it had 2 90's in it and many people (who think they knew something) said the chimney could be a problem, I was surprised how little the new chimney helped but it did help a little, it raised the stove top temps and the flue temps both by a small amount.
Quite a few people giving me advice back then who did not have a clue but they thought they could give advice and then told me I did not know any thing.
I sorrta have a case of the ash over the whole deal.
I would like to try another Summit but don't think that will happen.

 

IMHO after all this crap a bad chimney, bad wood, leaky door gaskets, too much draft and lack of knowledge about wood stoves will NOT cause low stove temps and high flue temps, its as plain as the nose on my face.

 

I would be thinking the same way....
I didn't follow the whole saga but, dammit, there's got to be an answer!

Talking to a tech would be the quickest way to get down to brass tacks, but maybe you will get some answers going the other route. I'm not convinced that many dealers know diddly-squat about the stuff they sell, which is a shame.

 

Oldspark, what is the new stove doing? Flue temps., stove top temp.'s, burn times, etc, etc.
Thanks, JB.

 

In line with what others report for a normally operating stove (non cat)
700 stove top is about 400 flue temp (surface), 450 is about as high as I have seen the flue temp and that was with 750 to 800 stove top.
Have not really tried a full blown over night burn as the warmer weather has not required me to try it but looks like no problem getting a 10 hour burn.

 

welllllllll.. guess there has to be somthing going on with the summit then. need someone who is REALLY up on the ins and outs of that brand to take a look at it

 

There lies the problem, I need to talk to a person who has knowledge of these stoves, but if some one has another brand with the same issues that could be of some help.
Seems like there would some body to get a hold of.
Have done a lot of searching but have found very little on the subject.

 

Mike I knew something was wrong with the stove after the first fire more or less because the Nashua burns like the Drolet.
I just followed all the 10 cent advice I was getting from H, I should have not listened to any body and just called the dealer.