Harley Davidson forced to buy epa stoves

That is the extent of the "fix". Cousin owns a used carlot and has been having all the recalls done on them. It's a joke because some of the cars need "fixed" again before he even managed to seek them because of the same issue you have

 

If you use Google, you can google how they are actually fixing them.

 

Watched the service manager do ours...I swear I turned around to look at the cars in garage and when I turned back it was done.

 

One of the techs from the dealer just comes to the lot and does most of the recalls for us, he stops on his way home with the laptop and baggies full of those pieces. We tried to get them to just hand us the pieces and we would glue them in but they won't do that, Ford dealer won't let us do the cruise recall either

 

Like already stated, They replace the cylinder, not just glue a peice in lol.
I wouldn't blet some used car lot do a recall either lol.

 

Odd, that's all they did for us, unless there's another recall coming.

 

Ford is using the V-10 in the F-650 and F-750. They brought back the V-10 to the F-350, 450, and 550 but for cab and chassis trucks only.

 

The EPA is a valuable part of our government and by the way it was Nixon that added the agency. We all have to have clean air and clean water to live. As the populate grows, so does the amount of pollution; more cars and motorbikes on the highways the more pollution there is. So we do have to limit emissions for our health. I see Harley Davidson's agreement to help replace old smokey stoves with new ones as a good thing. Stoves are expensive as we all know so maybe the poor can get better heating sources to keep warm at the same time reducing the amount of pollution. Harley Davidson could have said no and just paid more in fines but they stepped up and said yes. To say that Harley Davidson was not doing wrong is blurring the lines. They knew the amount of the devices they were selling was more than the number of people racing; they sold them to anyone that wanted one.

The truth is that we should not even be using internal combustion engines now; basically the same technology used over a hundred years ago. This is the 21st century but we are powering our vehicles in ancient technology and we all know why.

 

There is an offender here on noise. I can hear the bike coming miles away and when it passes the house it is horrible; I mean horrible. A state trooper chased him once but being on a most likely high performance motorbike he/she got away. Motorbikes don't have to sound like a 747 to be powerful.

 

I agree with 90 % of what you wrote in your post. The part about loud pipes and saving lives, I just don't know. I mean I heard that before, but when a guy on a bike with no muffler stops at the Stop sign in front of my house and reves his engine, believe me I don't think about saving his life.

 

They did not agree to anything in the traditional sense of the word, they were forced to make a choice. If I point a gun at you, do you agree to give me your money?

This is like the voluntary income tax system, it is voluntary as long as you do what they say, then it isn't any more.

"Government is not reason, it is not eloquence — it is force. Like fire it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master; never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action." - attributed to George Washington (doubtful)

 

There a difference between audible soumd, and noise. Aftermarket exhausts can be legal, but you'll know the ones that don't have any mufflers at all are certainly not legal.

 

Those are the guys that get to ride back door on our rides...can't hear my Goldwing with all that racket! (if it weren't for the tach I'd never be able to tell when to shift)

 

Hmmm...valuable huh? They certainly have there place, but they don't know it anymore...WAY too big for their britches the last 10-20 years. They have gone completely off the rails with the latest air pollution standards.
Clean water, yeah, that kinda stays in your backyard so to speak, you hafta live with it, clean or dirty. But air circulates across the globe pretty quickly, France gets our nice clean air while we are sucking manufacturing fumes from China...the manufacturing that used to be here before the EPA made it almost impossible for manufacturers to make money here. China thumbing their noses at us and "our" clean air.
I'm may have oversimplified things a bit to make a point, but I'm not very far off.
Very good points WeldrDave , agree 100%. They want to bag cow farts, meanwhile, forest fires and volcanoes...
I keep thinking we will be free of these morons pretty soon as they have their heads so far up their wazoos they will suffocate!

I do agree that Harley made the right choice to but stoves rather than pay a larger fine, good PR and all.

It does surprise me that the whole competition use loophole on those pipes and tuners has lasted as long as it has.

 

The problem with Harley caving under the pressure and settling is that it sets a precedent for them to use and further regulate/fine other companies that have essentially the same products on the market for cars, trucks, boats, atv/utv's, and just about anything computer controlled. EPA's goal is regulate out of existence anything they deem "dirty or polluting" and that includes wood stoves and all OPE so be careful what you wish for because they will be using this to further their goals.

“This settlement is not an admission of liability but instead represents a good faith compromise with the EPA on areas of law we interpret differently, particularly EPA’s assertion that it is illegal for anyone to modify a certified vehicle (translation=any internal combustion engine) even if it will be used solely for off-road/closed-course competition,” Ed Moreland, Harley-Davidson’s government affairs director, said in a statement."Ed Moreland, Harley-Davidson’s government affairs director, said in a statement.

 

Sorry, the government has been doing that for years. Look at McDonald's, to get away with not having to be in Obama Care for their part-time workers, they agreed to putting healthier choices on the menu for kids. Remember the "Obese Children" kick Obama was on a few years ago? That was when apple slices went in Happy meals and the Hamburgler and Fry Guys went the way of the Do-Do Bird.

As for Tier 4 it is hitting us firewood guys...or homesteaders anyway. Go into a tractor dealership and look at the new tractors. It does not matter the chassis size, most tractors have a 26 hp engine because 26 hp and down does not have to be Tier 4 compliant. Its not a big deal on a smaller tractor like a sub-compact, but when you start getting into the tractors chassis that formerly had 35 hp or so, and they now have 26 hp; boy you better get a manual tranny instead of a slosh drive or it will be doggy!

Then of course there is the power plants. The only way for the Green Power Agenda to take root was to get traditional electrical generation plants like coal or oil to be so regulated they could not meet compliance. Now wind and solar can compete...which is fine, but OUR coal is now flowing west and into Washington State and over to China where they have no issues with burning it, and the last I knew the wind blows west to east so we are getting the fallout toxicity without the benefits of cheap power.

Its been going on for years, its just Harley Davidson is a well beloved company and it took people by surprise.

 

Yes sirree!