The old "no one wants to work vs pays aren't high enough" argument!

So which is it? A combination of both?

Everywhere you turn its an issue. Doesn't seem to matter on the field of work or the area.

 

Depends on if the money that they are living on is theirs, given to them by their family, or given to them by the rest of us. If it’s the third option, then it’s too easy to obtain free money

 

"Working" for a living is now frowned upon. I hear the phrase 'make money' quite a lot. I have always preferred to Earn it.

 

Sadly....."Merica" and a lot of other countries are breeding and condoning a "pussified" society. Can't even or want to imagine what it will look like by 2030.

 

My guess is it’s coming to less people and bloody.

 

They're all "working" for the government. I've heard that the full boat of handouts is somewhere near $70k in MA.

 

So sad ..... .

 

It’s a nuanced and complex thing. As tempted as I am to wholesale label everyone in the latest generation as lazy, I’ve seen some of them hustle big time. A couple people working at Aldi and Dollar General come to mind, and they’ve been there for a while. You know they’re getting paid peanuts. I’m sure they’re aware of it too, and yet they still do their job to the best of their ability. Maybe they’re the exception, or maybe they just have that attitude of gratitude. I know for me starting out making very little, and having my hourly wage contingent on the effort I put into the job gave me incentive to hustle. But… things are more complicated today. Real wages (adjusted for inflation) have continued to decline. It’s tough for so many people, and I suppose a sizable swath of the population has given up entirely without much of a fight.

 

It's crazy. People who collect live better than most people who work full time.

 

We just had a guy apply for work today, not even in HRs office 5 minutes and he took off "$12/hr ain't gonna pay any bills in the world today" I can't blame him but he's not 100% right. It's mostly part time work and that's starting wage, entry level, you can get the hours if you want them though, I know we need more specialized people, like floor techs to do floor refinishing and cleaning, I wish HR would have thought of that.

 

And they have no body to blame but themselves. Straight from the "milk & toast" everybody is a winner gets a prize generation.

 

The problem is fiscal responsibility at the government level from local (city, school board, township) levels all the way to federal.

people don’t “see” the amount of taxes every level of government is taking and they become apathetic to the impact it’s having on their lives.

<<< goes back to Glasir and avoiding social problems that will likely never be truly addressed.

 

I agree people are apathetic to what's going on in their own town. Too lazy, too "busy", too whatever.
Around me, town budgets have to go through multiple checkpoints before being voted in. X given department (Fire, Police, DPW, Schools, etc) compiles their budget, then the Town Manager makes changes and cuts, then Finance Committee approves, then Select Board approves, finally gets voted on at Town Meeting by residents. Any town resident can run to sit on any of these boards that oversee the town budgets. The percent of the town population that actually votes is always staggeringly low. Can't be bothered to attend town meeting. The majority couldn't even tell you the Town Manager or any SelectBoard members names. Completely clueless. They're the first to bitch that taxes are too high though.

State and Federal I agree are scams.

 

our school district and county seat have voted down a “wellness center” and a pool/ sport annex for the last 15 years. Local business man passed and left a $1.3 million gift to the school district for a new swimming pool. That’s now morphed into $29+ million sports complex and wellness center.

it’s been on the ballet now twice each year, November and then a special election again in May, since 2020. November ‘22 the city portion of this pork barrel passed but the school district portion failed again. The city portion is a 1.5% sales tax for 20 years.

Add in all the other pork barrel trash the county and states are dumping on consumers and property owners, no wonder $17.50 per hour isn’t allowing for a living wage any more.

John Q. Public needs more income to feed “the establishment” which only makes a never ending cycle of greed.


ETA…
when you add up all these paper cut tax dollars, it’s between 56-59% of a persons income.

so what is John Q. Public supposed to live on?

 

Bbq

 

$40/hour is the new $20/hour now. The bigger companies can shift gears and adjust easier to pay their employees that kind of cake, but smaller businesses… The ones that survived what Da Gub did to them 3 years ago are really hurting now. There was a MASSIVE wealth transfer from the little guys to the large corporations. Small businesses were shuttered, in many cases permanently while the huge stores and online retailers saw soaring profits. Either “they” got it all wrong or it was done intentionally. I’m not one who refuses to see a pattern when looking at a series of perfect coincidences, so I know where I’m putting my money.
As a side effect of all the nonsense, there’s that whole group of people that are “quiet quitting” which from my observations is like a cancer within a company, eating away at the morale of the rest of the workers still committed to giving an honest day’s work. One clown’s bad attitude can and does become contagious.

 

So I am an independent contractor, have contracts with several companies and pick and choose what I do and for who and when. I have the main company I’m contracted with and they are my #1, been with them 7 years now. My #2 is one I contracted to back in 2017 for a while and told them to stuff it, pay wasn’t up to par and I was running my sack off for them. In March 2020 they called me to start again. I did with an agreement this time of my territory and dealers. Well forwarder to the summer of 2022 and a new CEO is hired whom I’ve had dealings with previously and not so good. My agreement went out the window and everyone at that company has been replaced. I went from bringing in $1500 a week with them to $1500 a month. They have had an ad out since January trying to hire someone for this area because they thought I had too much work to do, that’s the CEO’s way of doing things. March of his year I told them against to stuff it, not so nicely this time, I have more than enough to do in the time I have to do things. My main company has been trying to hire someone to cover my rotations for 6 months and can’t even get an applicant. I’ve picked up 4 new contracts so far this month, all low volume, but nobody had applied for them in months. Nobody wants to work, if they do they thin they are worth a million dollars to flip burgers. Half of them want a raise and spit out kid #13. Private businesses can’t compete with the federal gubermant and the scamdemic doubled down on those odds!

 

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So general "government" falls under the forbidden "politics" category called out in the forum rules?
Honest question, not trying to stir up trouble...I personally always thought "politics" was more partisan than the discussion here?
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