In loving memory of Kenis D. Keathley 6/4/81 - 3/27/22 Loving father, husband, brother, friend and firewood hoarder Rest in peace, Dexterday

Swept the liner today and...

Discussion in 'Modern EPA Stoves and Fireplaces' started by Elderthewelder, Sep 7, 2015.

  1. Elderthewelder

    Elderthewelder

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2014
    Messages:
    1,306
    Likes Received:
    3,839
    Location:
    Washington State
    got about the same results as last year which is alot IMO. I hear guys on hear that burn more than me saying they only get a couple cups or so but I get much more than that and I really do not know why

    My wood is dry and fully seasoned 16 to 18 percent on my MM I do not burn any paper or garbage and I always get about the same every year when I clean it

    I have a small insert in a zero clearance firebox with a uninsulated stainless liner with about a 15 foot run and live in a mild climate, when I take the cap off and look down I do not see much at all, but the liner does have a good "bend" in it where it transitions out of the insert and starts up the chase and I always spend extra time there when I run the brush down

    I have always wondered how much I get so I decided to measure it out this time, could not find any suitable container so i grabbed the Pyrex out of the kitchen cabinet

    filled it to the brim and than another 6 cups or so, its all that light fluffy stuff
    upload_2015-9-7_17-27-45.png
    upload_2015-9-7_17-28-28.png
    upload_2015-9-7_17-29-0.png
     
    Last edited: Sep 7, 2015
  2. wildwest

    wildwest Moderator

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2014
    Messages:
    28,246
    Likes Received:
    128,510
    Location:
    Wyoming high plains
    Light and fluffy is better than shiny black and crunchy :)

    Differences in frequency of cleaning?
     
  3. Elderthewelder

    Elderthewelder

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2014
    Messages:
    1,306
    Likes Received:
    3,839
    Location:
    Washington State
    nope, always clean once a year about this time frame, every year I get about the same though
     
    wildwest likes this.
  4. jatoxico

    jatoxico

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2014
    Messages:
    385
    Likes Received:
    1,309
    Location:
    Long Island, NY
    Not a pro so take it for what it's worth but composition wise that looks like the kind of ash you want. Not the kind of stuff that's going to start a fire.

    You could try to open the air up some more and send the gases up the flue a little faster and hotter if it bugs you or do a mid-year cleaning. How many cords of wood are you burning?
     
    papadave and wildwest like this.
  5. Elderthewelder

    Elderthewelder

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2014
    Messages:
    1,306
    Likes Received:
    3,839
    Location:
    Washington State
    yeah its all the light fluffy stuff and i am really not worried about it catching fire, i am at times a little stingy on the air. I only burn about 2 cord or so a season. but still seems like alot of build up as compared to some of the people on here that burn much more than I do
     
    wildwest likes this.
  6. jatoxico

    jatoxico

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2014
    Messages:
    385
    Likes Received:
    1,309
    Location:
    Long Island, NY
    Chasing those burn times! Me too! A cleaning mid year after a cord certainly isn't out of order. Or keep doing what your doing. Sounds like you're getting consistent pretty good results.
     
    wildwest and Elderthewelder like this.
  7. Locust Post

    Locust Post

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2013
    Messages:
    8,204
    Likes Received:
    45,638
    Location:
    N. E. OH
    Good thing is it is light and flaky as has been said. That, I guess is a little on the high side for 2 cords burnt. Uninsulated liner is probably contributing to that would be my guess. I just finished my second year with the cat stove and about 20' of insulated liner and got almost nothing out of the chimney. Old stove was on the liner for a short time and it would produce some. It doesn't sound like it is too concerning to you, but if it bothers you, you could always insulate the chimney with the pour in insulation.
     
    wildwest likes this.
  8. brenndatomu

    brenndatomu

    Joined:
    May 29, 2015
    Messages:
    20,555
    Likes Received:
    128,086
    Location:
    NE Ohio
    Well, you could burn a lil hotter, but at the expense of efficiency. To me I wouldn't worry about it, that looks more like ashes/soot than creosote. I don't think insulating your liner will change much for you in that department either, might draft a lil harder though. If you have no draft issues now then, meh, good enough IMO.
    Maybe you are just a more thorough chimney sweep than the guys that just get a couple cups...:whistle:
     
    wildwest likes this.
  9. Chvymn99

    Chvymn99 Moderator

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2013
    Messages:
    19,281
    Likes Received:
    98,788
    Location:
    KC Metro
    Does your wife know where her Pyrex has been? :rofl: :lol:.... All in the name of scientific findings...:yes:.... I get a bit but most of mine is due to my double angle in the black pipe before it shoots straight. Could some of be to start and stops and not continuous burns?
     
    unclefess, brenndatomu and wildwest like this.
  10. Elderthewelder

    Elderthewelder

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2014
    Messages:
    1,306
    Likes Received:
    3,839
    Location:
    Washington State
    she was out running errands when I cleaned the stove and i washed it real good before she got home:whistle:


    yes, I dont burn 24/7 and insert is also too small to get good overnight burns so I usually have to restart it in the morning and again when I get home from work. I think that may be the biggest factor
     
  11. brenndatomu

    brenndatomu

    Joined:
    May 29, 2015
    Messages:
    20,555
    Likes Received:
    128,086
    Location:
    NE Ohio
    If your next meal has a certain...hmm, ah, smokey flavor...just keep yur trap shut and eat it! :zip: :yes:
    I bet you're right
     
    Chvymn99 and Elderthewelder like this.
  12. Elderthewelder

    Elderthewelder

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2014
    Messages:
    1,306
    Likes Received:
    3,839
    Location:
    Washington State
    she is actually mixing some type of chocolate baked recipe up in it right now
     
    Chvymn99, chance04 and brenndatomu like this.
  13. bocefus78

    bocefus78

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2013
    Messages:
    3,694
    Likes Received:
    19,835
    Location:
    Indiana
    Elder, my setup is just like yours. Small ZC fireplace, small insert, uninsulated SS liner around 24 ft. Daily restarts. 2 cords a year burnt depending on weather. I get about the same amount of fluffy stuff as you did. I wouldn't worry about it.
     
    Elderthewelder likes this.
  14. Babaganoosh

    Babaganoosh

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2015
    Messages:
    1,137
    Likes Received:
    3,827
    Location:
    Jersey Shore
    If anything I'd insulate the liner. Seems a lot of ash for 2 cords. How does the cap look?
     
    papadave likes this.
  15. brenndatomu

    brenndatomu

    Joined:
    May 29, 2015
    Messages:
    20,555
    Likes Received:
    128,086
    Location:
    NE Ohio
    I would agree if it looked more like creosote, but that just looks like ashes/soot, I don't think insulation will change it much
     
  16. Locust Post

    Locust Post

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2013
    Messages:
    8,204
    Likes Received:
    45,638
    Location:
    N. E. OH
    That's a valid point. Maybe just the cold starts.
     
  17. Elderthewelder

    Elderthewelder

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2014
    Messages:
    1,306
    Likes Received:
    3,839
    Location:
    Washington State
    cap looked remarkably clean with just a small amount at the very top of inside cap, top of the liner did not look bad either so i think the majority of it was in the bend where the liner transitions up the chase
     
  18. Babaganoosh

    Babaganoosh

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2015
    Messages:
    1,137
    Likes Received:
    3,827
    Location:
    Jersey Shore
    I'd say you're good to go then if the cap looks good.
     
    Ronaldo and Elderthewelder like this.
  19. Highbeam

    Highbeam

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2014
    Messages:
    1,767
    Likes Received:
    5,486
    Location:
    Cascade Foothills, wet side of WA
    Lots of little ridges in those liners.